Hellenic Wiccan?

[Mazu Sakura]

If one is "Hellenic" as it is commonly referred to as, are they still considered Wiccan?
What makes somebody Hellenic, anyway?
Any information anyone can find about Hellenism would help me a lot!

Thank you,
Mazu Sakura

[DPhoenix]

If one is "Hellenic" as it is commonly referred to as, are they still considered Wiccan?
What makes somebody Hellenic, anyway?
Any information anyone can find about Hellenism would help me a lot!

Thank you,
Mazu Sakura

I believe so... I would assume it's a Wiccan who's Goddess & God are from the Greek Pantheon. Though I could be wrong...

(Kassandra on hiatus but maybe she can find out more when she comes back)

[TheGirlOfSecrets]

I'm guessing it is a thing, as I just googled it, and this website came up http://hellenicwicca.com/ so maybe you could have a look at it, if you're interested?

[DPhoenix]

I'm guessing it is a thing, as I just googled it, and this website came up http://hellenicwicca.com/ so maybe you could have a look at it, if you're interested?

Looks like some good info. Good find Sakia!

[hayal]

Hi Mazu Sakura,

as wicca havent got a set God (i dont know how else i could write this!!) it is often seem to be merged with any theological god/goddess or/and both. So Hellenic wicca can be layered with hellenic myths,gods and their practices onto the wiccan philosophy and practise. so if you believe in egyptian; nefertari for example it would be egyptian wicca...thats what i thought anyway... if im mistaken im sorry!!!

bright light,
hayal.

[Mazu Sakura]

Thank you all and I will be sure to check out the website!!!

[Kassandra]

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Wow! What a full moon out right now, eh? Hi guys. Was in a rush when I left out of town, so I didn't post a public announcement (only PM'd the Mods), and didn't have access to a computer for a few days where I was at. But, I'm back.



The Term "Hellenic"

Hi Mazu Sakura. Throughout the 20th century in Europe, America and other places there were many different reconstructions and revivals of ancient non-Christian spiritual practices, new interest in worshiping gods from ancient times, etc. As far as the word "Hellenic" itself, it just means something or someone reflecting ancient Greek spiritual and philosophical traditions.

The name comes from Hellen, an ancient Greek patriarchal figure (not to be confused with Helen of Troy, a woman), so Greek people were commonly called "Hellenes" in ancient times. Whenever the Greek general, Alexander the Great, conquered a territory and brought his new Greek ruler in to rule it, it was considered at that point to be "Hellenized" (like today we might say somewhere not in America seems "Americanized" because of American businesses or other culturally American things there). A famous example of Helenization is the line of "Cleopatra" queens in ancient Egypt, who were actually all of Greek descent. There were seven of them, the last one being the one about which people have made movies, written books and plays, etc.





Hellenism in Wicca

Hellenism in the context of Wicca just means incorporating a god or gods from the ancient Greek pantheon into one's Wiccan spiritual practices (I guess you could say, people choose to Hellenize Wicca too, lol). Hecate and Pan seem to be the most popular Greek gods with many Wiccans, from what I've seen. Here's an older EUTM post that lists some Greek gods. When talking about Hellenism and Wicca, I think this author makes some really good points to keep in mind, though:

Remember: Hellenism isn't Wicca. While many elements of Hellenism can fit neatly within Wicca, Wiccans need to realize that Wicca is not, in fact, Hellenism. Hellenic Reconstructionist religions are simply different. While Wiccans may be interested in bringing Hellenism into Wicca, Hellenic Reconstructionists are not interested in bringing Wicca into Hellenism.

This is why I use the term “Hellenistic Wicca” rather than “Hellenic Wicca.” Wicca can be ‘Hellenic-flavored,’ but cannot be interchangeable with actual Hellenism as Wicca has too many other influences to be pure Hellenism. Keep in mind that the Wiccan Rede, the Threefold Law and Wiccan ritual tools and structure are not something you find widespread in all ‘Greek’ Paganism. If you do find yourself befriending Hellenists or going to public gatherings, it’s important to keep that in mind. A lot of Wicca 101 books tend to paint all of Paganism as if it follows a Wiccan model, and it’s just not the case and should never be expected.

Source: for the full text, visit wiccansage.hubpages.com/hub/Hellenistic-Wicca




Respecting Others' Spiritual Traditions

I think this what EUTM member, loona wynd, was trying to get across in this thread a little while ago: Runes and Norse Mysteries. Since Wicca is a relatively new religion (one of the 20th century revivals I mentioned in the first paragraph above; research "Gerald Gardner"), it often feels offensive to people who practice spiritual paths where their gods are "borrowed" and used syncretically by Wicca, yet taken out of context because a lot of Wiccans mistakenly think any pagan gods are automatically Wiccan, that any mention of witchcraft is automatically a reference to Wicca, etc. These misunderstandings are based on a lack of research, and I think all loona wynd was basically saying was that she has come across this quite a bit. Ha, I don't know how many times I have explained that "psychic" "witch" and "Wiccan" are not synonymous, or that I have had to respond to, "Because I'm psychic that makes me a witch/Wiccan, right?" or vice versa.

I guess the safest thing to do is proper research, and have a respectful approach knowing that any gods you adopt into Wiccan spiritual practices already had their own pre-Wicca life that may be thousands of years old. Many (not all) people who revived/reconstructed the worship of Hellenic gods, for example, are of Greek ethnic heritage, and get offended hearing Wiccans say Hellenic gods are Wiccan, though I don't think they mind if Wiccans incoporate those gods into their practices. That, I think, is what the author above meant when she warned against Wiccans imposing Wiccan principles on Hellenic worshippers. You'll see discussions on this message board where, for example, Wiccans warn other witches their spells are "breaking The Threefold Law," without inquiring first as to whether or not that witch even cares to observe Wiccan practices. These are just misunderstandings, that's all.

Here is the website for a Hellenistic reconstructionist group based in California that you might find helpful: hellenion.org/About.html (<-- copy and paste into browser). These people worship the Greek pantheon and they're not Wiccans.

Please post any further questions and I would be happy to clarify this (I know it can be really confusing, haha).



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[Firebird]

oh thank goodness, there you are...I knew you would have good answer...I know nothing about this subject
thanks, and welcome back.
BB, FF

[Kassandra]

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Howdy, ma'am, nice to be back.

If there are some Wiccans who worship a Hellenistic pantheon, hope they might chime in and fill in the gaps on this, based on their own experiences. lol

Great question though, Mazu!



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[hayal]

Aah elisaa!! Havent seen u for a long time. Hope ure well )) ur great with this topics. Amazed ! Xo

Love n light
Hyl

[Kassandra]

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Hi Hayal. Good to see you, hope you're well, too! and thanks for the kind words, my friend.




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[Mazu Sakura]

Thank you for all the GREAT information Kassandra! I REALLY appreciate it!!!!



Love and Light,
Mazu

[Kassandra]

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Welcome, glad it helped.




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