Yes! This is what I have been saying for years now. These things are normal functionings of the normal non-local minds we all have. Western culture, with its plethora of nifty gadgets and mind-numbing "programming" on TV and online (think very carefully about that word, programming, in the context of a computer, lol), has in my opinion dumbed down humanity. But, yogis in India and in what is now Tibet (which was at one time part of the vast ancient Indian Empire that stretched beyond Iran to Egypt) have practiced manipulating their brain waves for thousands of years.Seraphin wrote:we can say that psychic functioning is a normal (not paranormal) and natural (not supernatural) faculty of the human brain. It belongs to the inner faculties of man.
I agree. There's a lot of useful mental process that one may practice during hypnagogia including lucid dreaming and travelling clairvoyance . However, there are also some dangers that may occur if one performed incorrect and misguided exercises and experiments or one misused and abused these practices, including nightmare and sleep paralysis .And yeah, like you mention above, a lot can and does happen when we're in the hypnogogic state, for sure. This can be an empowering resource if one knows how to use it correctly. There's a lot of fear porn on the net about it being a place of "nightmares," and "bad dreams," and other such (what I think is) intentionally disempowering nonsense. As far as that goes, often our so-called nightmares are simply our subconscious minds getting a little irritated with our conscious minds not addressing an issue that truly needs addressing in our waking lives.
Therefore to perform any psychic function, all that needs to be done is to tap this "normal non-local mind" and perform the task intended . Of course it's not as simple as that. Intention and purpose is also important for manifestation of psychic abilities.Kassandra wrote: Yes! This is what I have been saying for years now. These things are normal functionings of the normal non-local minds we all have. Western culture, with its of nifty gadgets and mind-numbing "programming" (think very carefully about that word, lol), has nevertheless dumbed down humanity, from a spiritual perspective. But, yogis in India and in what is now Tibet (which was at one time part of the vast ancient Indian Empire empire that stretched all the way to Iran) have known about and practiced these things for thousands of years.
Yes Kass. I have nothing against drug usage. I've seen how they have remarkably improved the lives of other people (including sick people with epilepsy and cancer). As a matter of fact, I know a lot of people using drugs to treat some ailments with no harmful side effects.Kassandra wrote:Drugs are another way, but Western culture abuses drugs, rather than utilizes them for higher spiritual purposes. However, older indigenous cultures have utilized peyote, ayahuasca and other so-called hallucinogens in productive ways, to help the community. That is a big contrast to how drugs are used in modern culture today, just a selfish means to just "get high," to get some temporary jollies for a few hours, as a leisure activity and nothing more.
But, at one point it was a big responsibility to be a shaman, who was considered a bonafide doctor. Younger shamans would apprentice with older ones, and it took decades to mature in the work. They'd use these drugs to facilitate developing their natural psychic abilities, with the goal of healing others, not "getting high." Shamanic work is a powerful healing technology that is slowly dying from our (human) race. We are letting a valuable inheritance slip through our hands.
Hehe, oh the irony.Seraphin wrote:The reason why western culture chose to dab in those stuffs instead of trying to understand the veracity and validity of the mysteries of our mind and soul is because: First, western population is perhaps 75 % Christians ...Athough a lot of Christian saints had demonstrated psychic abilities like seeing the future, healing the sick and reading other people's minds.
Yes, thanks for saying that. It needed to be said. We are, in this thread, in no way condoning or recommending drug use, so any of you that took it that way (I'm talking about the kids here), think again. Not saying that. The way drugs have been used --first of all, let's just define "drugs" for a moment, and then define the kind of drug use we're talking about in this thread. We're not talking about meth (which is basically, "take anything poison around your house, cook it, and use it to get high," a very self-hating thing to do), nor ecstasy, nor any other garbage that generations in this society have come to know as "drugs." That stuff is straight up poisonous garbage, any way you slice it.Seraphin wrote:The trouble here is a lot of consciousness is not yet ready for their proper medicinal and spiritual usage. The mere mention of the word “drugs” stirs a lot of negative reactions for those who are not using them. There's a lot of people who base their opinions and beliefs and not on proper information.
I think it's also important to say that using herbs for shamanistic journeys is not something to approach lightly, and not something one should do if one has severe or chronic health issues, and definitely, positively not if one is taking prescription medications.
I have many shaman friends and they don't actually view them as drugs, rather they are teachers or allies, entities in their own right with spirits of their own that we can interact with and build a relationship.Kassandra wrote:Some distinctions: The drugs we're talking about in these indigenous cultures, first of all they weren't synthetically processed. They were, in essence, organic plants that grew where they grew. Here's a main distinction: The cultures around the shamans had relationships with the "spirits" of these plants, and they asked those spirits for help with problems in the community; the shaman was merely the conduit.
My fiancee whose path has some shamanic influence do communicate with plant spirit. Kava's spirit according to her is good for journeying. The effect of the herb is subtle and she thinks it's probably a good start for someone who doesn't want to get loopy .14 When the dew had evaporated, there on the surface of the desert was a fine flaky substance, as fine as frost on the ground. 15 When the people of Isra’el saw it, they asked each other, “Man hu? [What is it?]” because they didn’t know what it was. Moshe answered them, “It is the bread which Adonai has given you to eat. 16 Here is what Adonai has ordered: each man is to gather according to his appetite — each is to take an ‘omer [two quarts] per person for everyone in his tent.” 17 The people of Isra’el did this. Some gathered more, some less; 18 but when they put it in an ‘omer-measure, whoever had gathered much had no excess; and whoever had gathered little had no shortage; nevertheless each person had gathered according to his appetite.
19 Moshe told them, “No one is to leave any of it till morning.” 20 But they didn’t pay attention to Moshe, and some kept the leftovers until morning. It bred worms and rotted, which made Moshe angry at them.
Source: Complete Jewish Bible
Yeah the substances and the practice itself is shamanic and should not be used without a shaman to advise or guide you through the experience.Kassandra wrote:They did this work by many years of serious training in traditions that went back for thousands of years on how to approach the plants, prayers to say and to which gods or goddesses to say them, how to cultivate and use the plants properly, etc. Another important distinction: there are usually people watching over the practitioner as he or she used them (many shamans have assistants, either their peers or the apprentices that they're training, or both) as a safety precaution. They aren't just sitting around by themselves getting high.
Yes. Most people lived and died with practically no knowledge of other healing methods besides from what Western Medicine and Pharamacy teaches us. One of the objections raised against this indigenous healing practice is that they mostly aren't tested and validated under strict and limited "scientific method". Testimonials of users are considered very weak proofs for their potency and safeness.Kassandra wrote:So basically, there was/is a whole cultural support system built around the kind of drug use that we're referring to in this thread, a cultural context you, the children of Western culture, are not being told about and will not experience in the culture you're in; that is a part of our collective human heritage that has been lost to you, unfortunately. You will have to go out and seek what's left of it, visit cultures who still carry these traditions and learn from them. As Seraphin mentioned, a lot of that loss has to do with the effect of dominant religions like Christianity, where the first thing their "missionaries" do is wipe out any healing traditions they encounter in a population, in order to weaken that population, and then (with military assistance) take it over and secure all that population's resources.
Yes. This is what's common among all the psychics, healers, witches, and magickians alike. We're able to totally focus our minds on a single task at a time, totally relax our body and eventually, reduce our brain waves. Isn't that what we do in casting a spell? In doing rituals? Shamanic journey? In grounding, centering or shielding?Kassandra wrote:.
"It is my belief that all information...comes to us in alpha [brain state] because all information in the universe consists of light energy. Light enters the pineal gland, or Third Eye, located in the center of the head between the eyebrows, where many psychics say they experience physical sensations when they receive extrasensory information."
"However in preliminary stages various techniques require that the mediator directs [his or her] own attention to a single object, a symbol, image, word(s) as Mantra or to a repetitive movement such as the awareness of the breath. Behind the theologies of such practices whether they be of Hindu, Buddhist or Christian Orthodoxy origin, the basic effect is the same."
"Various brain waves were linked to these states. For example the Beta wave expresses a normal waking state, Alpha and Theta waves an altered state and Delta a deep sleep state of consciousness."
"Alpha is the springboard for all psychic and magical workings. It is the heart of witchcraft".
"The science of witchcraft is based upon our ability to enter altered states of consciousness we call 'alpha'... This is a state associated with relaxation, meditation and dreaming...In alpha the mind opens up to non-ordinary forms of communication...Here we also experience out-of-body sensations and psychokinesis and receive mystical, visionary information."
I've been using video on youtube the makes delta beats for sleep. I sleep pretty well for the most part anyway, but when I have been stressed or really busy or perhaps some kind of past trauma has been invading my mind, I'll put that on to sleep with. The next day I feel clearer and more refreshed and able to handle the garbage coming my way.Kassandra wrote:.
Firebirdflys, have you ever used binaurals to try and induce a certain state, and if so, was it effective? How does that work.