Christian Witch for Beginners

Discussion for and about Christian witches and pagans. How do you merge your two belief systems? Please be kind to Christian witches. I have come to believe that it is a very valid belief system.
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Christian Witch for Beginners

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I'm a Catholic Church member but I am interested in being a Christian Witch. Although I do not yet to tell my parents about it, I am trying to gather knowledge on how this one works so when I reached the right age, I would have the courage to do it. I truly believe on God and every teachings and try to incorporate them to being a witch so that none of it would contradict since I treat it as a part of our culture.

Do any of you know things that I must learn for the path I will soon take? Also, my mother is not that very religious but she visit several churches and felt attached to them during her times, Is she, in any case worked with that certain saint?

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Oh golly. This is a really old post and I am fairly sure you are no longer an active member, but I still think answering it will help other people who may be in the same situation.

(I will be sourcing a ton from phoenyxwitch on tumblr because they are great)

Being a witch is something I, personally, keep separate from church. I prefer it being secret due to witchcraft being /wrongly/ frowned upon in Catholicism.

Anyway, he most important thing to becoming a Christian witch is to first address how you view the bible. I personally believe the bible was written by men, and not by men directly controlled by God. This means that the oral traditions and metaphors could have gotten tainted by man's own opinion on certain matters when written down. The New Testament, especially Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John/s, tends to be what I live my life by. Even then, I still take in account for the history of the time period, and man's own opinion tainting the holy book. If you believe that everything in the bible is 100% straight from God's mouth, witchcraft may not be the best path for your personal journey.

The next step in being a Christian witch is to understand what the Bible says about witchcraft. To quote phoenyxwitch on tumblr;
Let’s go over some of the commonly used words in the bible that reference magic:

* m'nachesh (from nahash which as a noun, nahash translates as snake, and as a verb it literally translates as hissing. Also been used to mean whispering. In the bible is used as “Enchanment” or “Enchanter”)

* m'onen (Onan literally translates as clouds. Used in the bible as “divination” and “augury”)

* Qesem (Divination)

* Kashaph (either means to mutter, or comes from the root words kash (herb) and hapalah (using). The Septuagint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint) translates the phrase as pharmakia (poison), so it may refer to magic potions.)

* ba'al ob (master of spirits)

* yidde'oni (gaining information from ghosts/medium)

* doresh el ha-metim (one who speaks to the dead)

* sho'el ‘ov (communicating with the dead)

* qosem q'samim (predicting the future using lots)

* chover chavar (using knot-tying to perform magic. Also translated as Charmer)

* Pharmakeia (drug user/poisoner/dark magic)
Each of the above words are words used to describe magic in the bible. Depending on the bible, the translation can differ greatly. For example.... (phoenyxwitch as source again)

m'nachesh is found in two passages: Leviticus 19:26 ‘You must not try to tell the future by signs or black magic.' (New Century Version) and Deuteronomy 18:10-11 'Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft' (New International Version)

Deuteronomy 18:10-11 can also be interpreted as (Living Bible (TLB)) 'For example, any Israeli who presents his child to be burned to death as a sacrifice to heathen gods must be killed. No Israeli may practice black magic, or call on the evil spirits for aid, or be a fortune-teller, or be a serpent charmer, medium, or wizard, or call forth the spirits of the dead.'

Since we know m'nachesh is associated with snakes and black magic, most modern witches see these quotes to mean "Do not practice dark magic, or magic associated by the devil". We also have to take in account for the hostility towards the Israelites and many other religions at that time. Which would play a role in how they perceived each other. Especially after the whole shenanigans in Egypt.

Both these quotes are also in the Old Testament, which was revises when Yeshua/Jesus died on the cross. Therefore many of the old ways no longer applies to modern Christians.

If you ever wanted me to go through each term, I would be more than willing to. However, to save time- I will sum up what some Christian witches believe from the above terms:
  • 1. Put Yahweh/God/Jehovah above all other Gods; as long as you do so, working with other Gods is alright
    2. Do not perform "dark" magic or practice hypnosis without another person's consent
    3. Do not work with the dead (some Christians say only the dead of humans, some say just demons/evil dead, and some say all spirits should not be worked with. It is how you translate it and which bible you use)
    4. Do not ask any other Gods to help in fortune telling, always do divination in Yahweh's name
    5. Yeshua/Jesus said absolutely nothing about witchcraft, therefore as long as you follow his teachings none of the above apply.
Alright, now that we got all the hard stuff out of the way. On to how do you begin practicing. The best answer is research! Remember, witchcraft isn't a religion but a craft. Look into different ways to practice the craft, and start trying it out! Even biblical characters used herbs and rocks to achieve goals. Remember, as long as you do everything out of love and in Yahweh's name. You are being a Christian witch. Do not let anyone convince you otherwise. So get out there and start reading! Sea witchery, green witchery, kitchen witchery, everything is open to you! :)

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Thanks for the response hailmary! I'm glad you still responded on an old thread. I'm still trying to find my own path and this really answered some of my questions.


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I missed this thread. Good info, especially the old Hebrew (or Aramaic?) words. Yet again, proof that all this metaphysical stuff is old news, and also common to many cultures, and then in recent times (starting at about the Dark Ages, or so), got sort of deleted from common knowledge, and thrust into the "occult" world, leaving the masses ignorant of their own power, abilities and genetic heritage. I see this time and time again happening in different cultural contexts, including in Asia, too. Thanks hailmary for posting (if you're still around, hasn't logged in since October 2015 looks liked, though). Into my grimmy it goes.




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AHA!! I've finally found people who think alike.
I believe that the Bible is fallible. I believe the writers gave the best testimony they could, and much of it is very correct, but you have to look at some things that contradict each other, make no sense, etc, etc.(Also, mistranslations are everywhere.)I believe much of these quotes could be accurate, but go against harming others with your magic, which is a terrible thing to do anyways plus i believe in the three fold rule,and YOU GET IT BACK AT YOU THREE TIMES HARDER TEEHEE!!!!! Okay, lets get back on track.

If God put you on this earth, and come on, you already know your a witch. God created you like this way, don't deny it! God gave you the gift of herbs, crystals, spells, and a ton of other likeminded people. Use it. Don't deny it because others think you are going to "burn in hell." God loves you. This is YOUR path, not theirs.

I'm actually only just beginning, and for other beginners it may help to choose a saint or person from the bible as your deity, like many witches do. For example, Mother Mary is something like a deity to me.

Good Luck!!! -Willow
A spiritual journey is like this, there are multiple paths.
And you choose whichever one you want, gosh darn it!

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People of any religion can practice magic without summoning anything but energy. So we can be Christian, and still work with secular magical concepts. We don't have to plug-in saints as wanna be deities to cast a circle & we can address sacred Nature. Yes, a few early cultural deities were re-cast as saints. It might be a good idea to confine the swap-out to those. I feel we can respect a saint's beliefs & honor them on their own terms. They are not going to bend to ours. They can always volunteer their input.

Consider “Pow Wow“ https://www.sacred-texts.com/ame/pow/index.htm

Ritual circle casting is just a formula of procedures to balance energy. St Francis of Assisi gave us the Canticle of the Sun which is pretty close to ritual circle casting using the Sun & Moon to provide the duality a circle needs for power (which is one thing that inviting the Goddess & God does) & addressing nature as the Elements for balance & to hold the circle in place, which art part of their role in a circle. There are heaps of sun & moon deities a Wiccan might call upon in their own practice so the formula remains unchanged &'no Christian saint's noses get bent out of shape. I mean, could you imagine plugging in to St Paul with his bull dog attitude? Anyhow, It might help smooth out some contradictions in the procedure. The Canticle is all Nature-centered so is very compatible with the core of witchcraft.

Now Necromancy’s entrapping a deceased person's spirit to foretell the future is just asking for trouble since coercing & force is bound to make a person ornery & uncooperative. Another thing I don't get is why would they know the future better dead than when they were alive? Apparently fortune telling by necromancy was a "thing" that must have been popular back then to have made it into print so we could be told not to do it. Well, doh. The last thing I'd want is an ornery, cantankerous, uncooperative spirit telling my future because I can just imagine what hash they'd make of it. Let alone raising the shade of late Aunt Sophie to trick her into telling where she left the family silver & jewels. I'm sure that would result in a wild goose chase digging up the lawn to no avail. I don't think there are re-do's on the summons - You only get one call from the procedures I've read about. Ok I'm getting silly. But I think about these things. Late at night. In the dark. Mawaahaha-ha, Kidding, just kidding.

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