Who is "Yahweh"?

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Erebus Elysium wrote: That's when it came to me: Before Judaism, Christanity and Islam, was Yahweh, Jehovah and Allah something before he was named the creator god?
As I understand it he was a Canaanite War God. Remember back then every group lived in tribes. Then he gave a message to Abraham asking him to worship just him and the rise of him as a creator God and as the God started.

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Check out the name "Yaldabaoth". :)

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El, the Caananite father God functioned as a template, Bael (or Ba'al if you prefer) meant Lord, was more a class of Gods than one god (someone who works with ATR or Voodoun chime in on the family idea, if they would). Near where the burning bush incident occurred, there was a village named YHV, which lent its storm Bael to Moses. YHVH as a name PROBABLY was meant at first to suggest origin.



Mind you, this is real rough, I'm simplifying, mostly because I'm on my phone. Nothing anybody else pointed you to is wrong either. There are many facets to this actually. The jump to monotheism from polytheism wasn't as smooth as people like to think.
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Erebus Elysium wrote:An idea just occurred to me: It has been shown by Archealogists of different fields that plenty of demons of Christian faith where, at one point or another, a pagan god. Lucifer was the Roman God of the Morning Star, Ba'al was a fertility god (I even hear that "Beelzebub" was based off of Ba'al's full name), and Loki and Hades have been (and are being) twisted into black-hearted connivers. Even the very image of Satan and Baphamet was stolen from Horned Gods like Pan and Cernunnos just to "make a point".
You're right, plenty of Daemons from Judeo-Christian religions came from Canaanite, Ugaritic and other Ancient Pantheon. I work with daemons and therefore work with some of the so called "fallen angels" and Underworld Gods. This means that I have some experience with the Judeo-Christian pantheon and knowledge about Judeo-Christian folklore and mythos. My beliefs are based on my experiences and some stories from early biblical literatures, and may differ from the common pagan thoughts on the matter.

I have discussed some tidbits about daemons here in this thread.

As we all know, pagan nations were hardcore idol worshippers and as such, were an unacceptable influence on the "set-apart" Yahwist community. Now to gain control and power and strike fear into people's heart, I believe that some Deities of the Old were labeled by both Jewish and Christian theologians as evil demonic beings because the Bible directive is to wipe out all the Ancient pagans together with their beliefs and spiritual paths cruelly and indiscriminately. They claimed that their "ways of worship" are abominable inhuman practice. Some were even forced to change and adopt the basic pillars of Judeo-Christian doctrines.
Erebus Elysium wrote:That's when it came to me: Before Judaism, Christanity and Islam, was Yahweh, Jehovah and Allah something before he was named the creator god?
YHVH is God of Israel. (Some believe) He belongs to Canaanite pantheon and was worshiped as the King of the Gods. At a later period, He began to wish to be worshiped alone and to assure this, He and Israel entered in a covenant under which YHVH will protect Israel and, in turn, Israel will not worship other Deities. This promise was fulfilled when He commissioned Moses to be Israel's savior from the bondage of Egypt and ordered Israel to strictly observe all His commandments.

In His conversations with Moses and other prophets, He claimed to be the Source of all being. Everything is dependent that derives existence from Him and Him alone. Because of this He was promoted as the Supreme God and Creator of the Universe and the very existence of other Deities was denied.

Well I personally believe Allah and Jehovah are different from YHVH. I don't believe that the Jehovah -- the Christian God and Allah -- the Muslim God is the same Deity as YHVH, I do believe that they evolved from the original Hebrew God YHVH and now exists as Deities in Their own right and brought new faiths into the world.

How do I say so? It's because YHVH is a Sabbath and Moedim (biblical feast)-keeping, kosher God who demanded His followers to observe the Torah (His Instructions). Do Jehovah and Allah order Their followers to walk in Torah, keep the Biblical feasts, or the seventh day Sabbath? No.
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This guy has etymology correctness over 95%, provided you have patience for 2h long video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHBmBWeUwsE

I agree it is like a team to pick like 1 of 15 or something like he said.

Apart from that
I think that opinion that Yod He Vau He very derived by more "primitive" people from sexual moaning
evolves into letters from right to left masculine feminine masculine feminine
יהוה
reflecting on macrocosm marriage
& then
microcosm marriage

Thence the formation of the world.
So make your call... 1 of 15 or also some mystery of creation concealed, yet revealed?
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Seraphin_npocampo wrote: Well I personally believe Allah and Jehovah are different from YHVH. I don't believe that the Jehovah -- the Christian God and Allah -- the Muslim God is the same Deity as YHVH, I do believe that they evolved from the original Hebrew God YHVH and now exists as Deities in Their own right and brought new faiths into the world.

How do I say so? It's because YHVH is a Sabbath and Moedim (biblical feast)-keeping, kosher God who demanded His followers to observe the Torah (His Instructions). Do Jehovah and Allah order Their followers to walk in Torah, keep the Biblical feasts, or the seventh day Sabbath? No.
It is the same god. Not from a faith standpoint. But from linguistic and archaeological one. Allah is directly related to Canaanite El. They're considered the same. It goes back before Canaanites and Arabians were Abrahamic. When they were pagan and El and Allah were the heads of the pantheons. I don't know too much on Arabian paganism, but I know enough to have found this out, which I was surprised about.
I am the Earth, The Sun and the Stars
And I am the also the Moon
I am all animal and birds,
And I am the outcast as well, and the thief
I am the low person of dreadful deeds,
And the great person of excellent deeds
I am Female. I am Male and I am Neuter.
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א
is pronounced either 'a' as can't US or can't UK or cat and car to give less confusing example.

El Iah
Al-lah

Now some say El is Lord or God while יהוה
is certain specific god.
Iah is a part of this faces of God thing in Hebrew up till today,
Some say Iah was Egyptian word for Moon.

Since I don't speak Hebrew I'm not much scientific here. Some Kabbalah call Iah for 2nd Sefira and I use it like that in magic.

Etymology is a journey of adventure and discovery. At the moment I feel to have barely crossed the gate into knowledge.
I trust etymology way more than historians.
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From a gnostic standpoint of that style of God; 'THE GREAT I AM' are all a masks of the demiurge, easier considered from a psychological point of reference: God (with a capital G) would be divinities `Ego', While the Goddess (capital G) more akin to the wild and powerful Id.

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