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Would like advice in dealing with spirits..

Postby RosieMoonflower » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:19 am

Okay, I would like some advice in dealing with spirits. Years ago I was wanting to make contact with my guardian angel. I had researched ways to connect through meditation as at that time in my life I was taking my meditations very seriously. Anyways, I had never done anything like that and I was nervous and worried I might connect with something that I didn't want to (demon, scary ghost, etc,) What I saw in my minds eye was a sloppy man in an old suite. I immediately thought salesman for some reason. I tried the same thing again a little later and got the same sloppy salesman in the same mustard colored shirt and brown suit.

So recently I have been wanting to attempt contact with angels and spirits again and this dude is popping up again! I finally decided to try to speak to him. Asked him the following and got the following responses very clearly.

Name?
Max Donahue

Are you dead?
Yes

Are you bad?
I was a bad person

How?
Selfish, bad father, bad husband, alcoholic

Will you hurt me?
No

Why are you with me?
I'm bored. I like to go to the parties and concerts you go to.



Okay, so what should I do? Is it okay that he's following me around? I definitely want to know how to keep him from interfering with other communication. If he is a ghost, why is he stuck here. The fact that he is aware of my social life makes me think he is very aware of this plane. I don't really care for him in the sense that I don't feel like he's a guide to me in anyway. I think I might almost prefer he goes elsewhere. But, I know nothing of these things or how they should be handled. Thanks for any advice!
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Re: Would like advice in dealing with spirits..

Postby Myrth » Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:23 am

First, shielding.

Second, you may want to consider smudging, to remove negative energies and purity your surroundings.
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Re: Would like advice in dealing with spirits..

Postby RosieMoonflower » Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:52 am

Myrth wrote:First, shielding.

Second, you may want to consider smudging, to remove negative energies and purity your surroundings.


Can you teach me about shielding? And yes, I have never smudged any of the apartments I've lived in but I am planning to do so in our new house. Moving in Feb. 16. :)
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Re: Would like advice in dealing with spirits..

Postby Myrth » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:21 am

Shielding is a form of energy work. A basic shield is to draw in energy and project it around you. Fill the sphere with protective energy. Intend that it keep out or reflect away negative energies while letting in positive energies. I see it in my mind's eye as a white light.
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Re: Would like advice in dealing with spirits..

Postby RosieMoonflower » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:24 am

Myrth wrote:Shielding is a form of energy work. A basic shield is to draw in energy and project it around you. Fill the sphere with protective energy. Intend that it keep out or reflect away negative energies while letting in positive energies. I see it in my mind's eye as a white light.


Thank you so much! So you know if there is a simple way to make him go away? I think if rather he just move on..
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Re: Would like advice in dealing with spirits..

Postby Seraphin_npocampo » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:23 pm

It would appear to me that what you are dealing with is a spirit of the deceased that you have probably unintentionally attracted when you're trying to contact your guardian angel. I am not claiming I am end of all wisdom here, but it is what I conclude based on the information you have given.

Some spirits are stuck here especially if they experienced sudden or unexpected death or was killed brutally, violently or unjustifiably. They are usually be seen or felt by most people because they are still very much around. Their consciousness is still with our dimension and the people they left behind.

Many times, people who die in these sort of deaths are still in a state of shock. Some are not aware that they are already dead and have no understanding of where to go. Some are still settling their unaccomplished missions. Some just want answers or enlightenment concerning their deaths. Some are searching for justice while others want to get revenge. And that’s why they haunt the places where they lived, worked or played or the people they love, they hate or the people they know who can help them.

Based on a lot of documented stories from around the world, most souls do not get hurled either to heaven or hell or get reborn and reincarnated at once. They are still around for a while.

The fact that you can communicate with the spirits of dead people means that you are sensitive and as Myrth said, you have to learn how to shield yourself.

I do not know exactly what this spirit intentions are. Whether or not he wants to harm you is also unclear -- it isn't necessarily the case. Sometimes earthbound spirits are simply that -- lost and looking for someone living to connect with. However, if the entity is making your life difficult (giving you negative feelings, thoughts and experiences) then you need to part with him.

As a spirit of the deceased, and according to your story, he is very much open to communication -- that meaning he needs to be addressed warmly and respectfully and the reality of the situation explained to him.

If you want him to go and move on, I would suggest to try the Spirit Rescue Ritual. But first and foremost, I would just like to remind you that because spirits can be very unpredictable, it's always a good practice to take precautions and shield yourself first and have a plan prepared if things GO WRONG and the spirits more become hostile and retaliate or otherwise unwilling to leave.

SPIRIT RESCUE


Things needed:
- piece of paper
- pen
- matches
- bowl or cup
- white candle
- silver coin

Write the name of the spirit on the piece of paper. Burn it in your cup or bowl and gather the ashes and keep them somewhere confined and safe.

Before anything else, cast a circle, sit quietly in the spot where you first experienced the activity of the spirit. In your mind, release your fear and any negative thoughts and emotions you're feeling. Visualize the spirit approaching you. Treat him with respect and give him a sympathy -- try to understand what you might feel if you were lost. Forgive him for all the things that he had done in the past and in the present. A lighted white candle is always a symbol of Divine and the Universe. So it is important that when we light the candles on our altar or in any sacred place, we know what it is all about -- it symbolizes our prayers, meditations and our belief that when we pray, the Higher Spirits is with us as the light that conquered the darkness.

Talk to him calmly. Try to communicate with him and tell him that you wish to help him to move on. Tell him to search for the Light -- that there are other spirits who are waiting for him on the Other Side. Tell him to move towards the Light. Visualize a radiant tunnel and help the spirit to walk towards it. Try to envision the spirit doing so. Persuade and guide him to the Light until you feel that it is truly gone. When you are done, recite a blessing. Thank the Higher Spirits around that help you. Go outside and bury your silver coin in the ground as payment for your passage.

And even if our thoughts, prayers and meditations have already helped the spirit come to the light, we must continue to pray for it. Our thoughts, love and prayers do not go to waste, they would still benefit other spirits in your home who also need prayers.
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Re: Would like advice in dealing with spirits..

Postby Sakura Blossom » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:09 pm

Hello, Rosie!

This is going to be a long post and I deeply apologize. Hopefully it's worth it!

As someone who works heavily within the spirit realm, so to speak (rather, I can communicate with spirits, I've dealt a lot with them - good and bad), I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that he's following you around. Based on what you're saying, I do agree that he's more than likely dead and that you accidentally called him in. Does that mean he's a negative entity? No, not at all. Not everything you accidentally call in is bad.

As Myrth said, shielding is important and casting out any negative energies is as well. If he stays around, then he's not bad. When working with someone far more experienced in this realm than I, we discussed shielding in depth and about how smudging/banishing/shielding will keep out the negative energies and they will not come through. It will not BANISH them, per say, but it will keep them away from YOU. Does that make sense?

As for how to shield, there are various ways to do so and not all ways work for everyone. I will list a few that might help you find what works best for you and you can try some out to see what you like. I'll put them at the end so that you don't have to scroll to find them, as I'm not done explaining yet.

I feel a very strong inkling that perhaps he had daughters and you remind him of them. Whether in the specific sense of his daughter/s or the fact that you are female (at least I think I saw you were, if you're not then please accept my apology) that he enjoys being around you because he never got to with his own children or something of that sort. There are always different reasons as to why a spirit likes to hang around.

You will know if you're dealing with something bad. Trust me. You'd feel it, even if you weren't sensitive but the fact that you're able to see him tells me you are. Those who are sensitive will know, and I have very, very strong confidence in saying so because negative beings, despite liking to hide themselves as pure and good, will give off negative vibes. Good spirits do not make us feel fear or like something's watching us in a more paranoid sense. You'd feel discomfort, yes, but nothing too extreme.

With negative energies, you'd feel very stiff, anxious, I don't know how else to explain it... All that I've spoken to who are sensitive get this same feeling. It's a very good sense to pay attention to, because it will tell you if you need to shield more or smudge again when you feel this discomfort.

If your spirit man is still hanging around after you exercise all that you can for protection, then chances are he means no harm. Whether or not he wishes to leave this realm is up to him and you could ask him if he wishes to go. If he does, then you can find ways to help him and if he doesn't, then you cannot force him to leave to whatever the final realm of rest is, depending on belief. He may be dead but I come from the belief that spirits still have thoughts and feelings just like a living, breathing human. You wouldn't want to be forced to leave somewhere you're comfortable with if you've done nothing wrong, right?

Anyways, here are some helpful things and the shielding exercises!

If you are unable to burn sage, I also have a very helpful bottle spray that you can try making. The recipe is found here: Blossom Breeze Spray

Shielding Exercises:

1) Close your eyes and keep your feet flat on the floor. Imagine your feet sinking into the ground, becoming the roots of a tree (this is called Grounding). Feel them sink deeper and deeper below the ground. Eventually they will reach an element, and for each person the element is different. Sometimes it's water, sometimes it's fire, sometimes it's something else. Bring your element up through your body and feel it spreading through you as well as around you in a giant bubble of peace and protection. The bubble color is different for everyone as well and I've encountered with myself and others that our deities typically step in with their own elements at times to help with protection.

2) Close your eyes and imaging yourself bringing in white, gold and silver light through your crown chakra and through to your feet. Feel it cleansing you of all negativities and darkness. All the while imagine the same shining light surrounding your body and any area you wish to protect/shield. Think of happy things, and ask your guides as well as your deities you work with (if you work with any) to step in and offer their protection. Nothing that walks in the dark may enter and only those that walk in the light can. Imagine all darkness and dark beings being cast out to keep you safe.

3) Bless a ring or any jewelry piece by any manner you wish. I usually put mine in blessed water and then run over candle smoke from a candle that's been anointed with an oil of my choice. Then I put it back into the water and invest positive feelings into it by thinking happy thoughts while holding it. I ask my deities to come in and bless the ring or necklace so that while I wear it, I will be protected. Then what I also do is tap the jewelry piece (mine is a necklace and I tap the charm) and keep my eyes closed. I tap it only three times and imagine my element bubble surrounding me and getting larger with each tap.

I also have an entire thread dedicated to spirit communication and protection right here: How to Communicate and Stay Protected.
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Re: Would like advice in dealing with spirits..

Postby RosieMoonflower » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:12 pm

Seraphin wrote:It would appear to me that what you are dealing with is a spirit of the deceased that you have probably unintentionally attracted when you're trying to contact your guardian angel. I am not claiming I am end of all wisdom here, but it is what I conclude based on the information you have given.

Some spirits are stuck here especially if they experienced sudden or unexpected death or was killed brutally, violently or unjustifiably. They are usually be seen or felt by most people because they are still very much around. Their consciousness is still with our dimension and the people they left behind.

Many times, people who die in these sort of deaths are still in a state of shock. Some are not aware that they are already dead and have no understanding of where to go. Some are still settling their unaccomplished missions. Some just want answers or enlightenment concerning their deaths. Some are searching for justice while others want to get revenge. And that’s why they haunt the places where they lived, worked or played or the people they love, they hate or the people they know who can help them.

Based on a lot of documented stories from around the world, most souls do not get hurled either to heaven or hell or get reborn and reincarnated at once. They are still around for a while.

The fact that you can communicate with the spirits of dead people means that you are sensitive and as Myrth said, you have to learn how to shield yourself.

I do not know exactly what this spirit intentions are. Whether or not he wants to harm you is also unclear -- it isn't necessarily the case. Sometimes earthbound spirits are simply that -- lost and looking for someone living to connect with. However, if the entity is making your life difficult (giving you negative feelings, thoughts and experiences) then you need to part with him.

As a spirit of the deceased, and according to your story, he is very much open to communication -- that meaning he needs to be addressed warmly and respectfully and the reality of the situation explained to him.

If you want him to go and move on, I would suggest to try the Spirit Rescue Ritual. But first and foremost, I would just like to remind you that because spirits can be very unpredictable, it's always a good practice to take precautions and shield yourself first and have a plan prepared if things GO WRONG and the spirits more become hostile and retaliate or otherwise unwilling to leave.

SPIRIT RESCUE


Things needed:
- piece of paper
- pen
- matches
- bowl or cup
- white candle
- silver coin

Write the name of the spirit on the piece of paper. Burn it in your cup or bowl and gather the ashes and keep them somewhere confined and safe.

Before anything else, cast a circle, sit quietly in the spot where you first experienced the activity of the spirit. In your mind, release your fear and any negative thoughts and emotions you're feeling. Visualize the spirit approaching you. Treat him with respect and give him a sympathy -- try to understand what you might feel if you were lost. Forgive him for all the things that he had done in the past and in the present. A lighted white candle is always a symbol of Divine and the Universe. So it is important that when we light the candles on our altar or in any sacred place, we know what it is all about -- it symbolizes our prayers, meditations and our belief that when we pray, the Higher Spirits is with us as the light that conquered the darkness.

Talk to him calmly. Try to communicate with him and tell him that you wish to help him to move on. Tell him to search for the Light -- that there are other spirits who are waiting for him on the Other Side. Tell him to move towards the Light. Visualize a radiant tunnel and help the spirit to walk towards it. Try to envision the spirit doing so. Persuade and guide him to the Light until you feel that it is truly gone. When you are done, recite a blessing. Thank the Higher Spirits around that help you. Go outside and bury your silver coin in the ground as payment for your passage.

And even if our thoughts, prayers and meditations have already helped the spirit come to the light, we must continue to pray for it. Our thoughts, love and prayers do not go to waste, they would still benefit other spirits in your home who also need prayers.


Thank you Seraphin! I am going to practice shielding for now. I don't want to attempt this ritual until I feel comfortable with that. But, I do not feel this person is harming me, but I still would rather he move on. I am a caring and helpful person and I am liking the idea of helping him get to the Other Side if he needs it. I'm glad to know I can come find this ritual when I'm ready for it. :)
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Re: Would like advice in dealing with spirits..

Postby RosieMoonflower » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:16 am

Sakura Blossom wrote:Hello, Rosie!

This is going to be a long post and I deeply apologize. Hopefully it's worth it!

As someone who works heavily within the spirit realm, so to speak (rather, I can communicate with spirits, I've dealt a lot with them - good and bad), I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that he's following you around. Based on what you're saying, I do agree that he's more than likely dead and that you accidentally called him in. Does that mean he's a negative entity? No, not at all. Not everything you accidentally call in is bad.

As Myrth said, shielding is important and casting out any negative energies is as well. If he stays around, then he's not bad. When working with someone far more experienced in this realm than I, we discussed shielding in depth and about how smudging/banishing/shielding will keep out the negative energies and they will not come through. It will not BANISH them, per say, but it will keep them away from YOU. Does that make sense?

As for how to shield, there are various ways to do so and not all ways work for everyone. I will list a few that might help you find what works best for you and you can try some out to see what you like. I'll put them at the end so that you don't have to scroll to find them, as I'm not done explaining yet.

I feel a very strong inkling that perhaps he had daughters and you remind him of them. Whether in the specific sense of his daughter/s or the fact that you are female (at least I think I saw you were, if you're not then please accept my apology) that he enjoys being around you because he never got to with his own children or something of that sort. There are always different reasons as to why a spirit likes to hang around.

You will know if you're dealing with something bad. Trust me. You'd feel it, even if you weren't sensitive but the fact that you're able to see him tells me you are. Those who are sensitive will know, and I have very, very strong confidence in saying so because negative beings, despite liking to hide themselves as pure and good, will give off negative vibes. Good spirits do not make us feel fear or like something's watching us in a more paranoid sense. You'd feel discomfort, yes, but nothing too extreme.

With negative energies, you'd feel very stiff, anxious, I don't know how else to explain it... All that I've spoken to who are sensitive get this same feeling. It's a very good sense to pay attention to, because it will tell you if you need to shield more or smudge again when you feel this discomfort.

If your spirit man is still hanging around after you exercise all that you can for protection, then chances are he means no harm. Whether or not he wishes to leave this realm is up to him and you could ask him if he wishes to go. If he does, then you can find ways to help him and if he doesn't, then you cannot force him to leave to whatever the final realm of rest is, depending on belief. He may be dead but I come from the belief that spirits still have thoughts and feelings just like a living, breathing human. You wouldn't want to be forced to leave somewhere you're comfortable with if you've done nothing wrong, right?

Anyways, here are some helpful things and the shielding exercises!

If you are unable to burn sage, I also have a very helpful bottle spray that you can try making. The recipe is found here: Blossom Breeze Spray

Shielding Exercises:

1) Close your eyes and keep your feet flat on the floor. Imagine your feet sinking into the ground, becoming the roots of a tree (this is called Grounding). Feel them sink deeper and deeper below the ground. Eventually they will reach an element, and for each person the element is different. Sometimes it's water, sometimes it's fire, sometimes it's something else. Bring your element up through your body and feel it spreading through you as well as around you in a giant bubble of peace and protection. The bubble color is different for everyone as well and I've encountered with myself and others that our deities typically step in with their own elements at times to help with protection.

2) Close your eyes and imaging yourself bringing in white, gold and silver light through your crown chakra and through to your feet. Feel it cleansing you of all negativities and darkness. All the while imagine the same shining light surrounding your body and any area you wish to protect/shield. Think of happy things, and ask your guides as well as your deities you work with (if you work with any) to step in and offer their protection. Nothing that walks in the dark may enter and only those that walk in the light can. Imagine all darkness and dark beings being cast out to keep you safe.

3) Bless a ring or any jewelry piece by any manner you wish. I usually put mine in blessed water and then run over candle smoke from a candle that's been anointed with an oil of my choice. Then I put it back into the water and invest positive feelings into it by thinking happy thoughts while holding it. I ask my deities to come in and bless the ring or necklace so that while I wear it, I will be protected. Then what I also do is tap the jewelry piece (mine is a necklace and I tap the charm) and keep my eyes closed. I tap it only three times and imagine my element bubble surrounding me and getting larger with each tap.

I also have an entire thread dedicated to spirit communication and protection right here: How to Communicate and Stay Protected.


Shakura, thank you so much for this wonderful response! I agree with you that he is not bad or causing me harm or negativity in any way. My wish to send him on simply came from the fact that I so not feel he is a guide for me and I am most interested in contacting my personal guides. I also got a feeling he had children and specifically a daughter was the oldest, I didn't mention it because I didn't think that way why he might be interested in me. (Yes, I am female)

Smudging is on my list. My local
Metaphysical shop has closed down. :( So I will
Need to order some smudging herbs online. My plan is to smudge this apartment before I move out and smudge the new home before we move in.

I think I will practice these shielding techniques and then see if he is still around, if he is, I'll talk to him and see if I can find out why he is still here and if he would like to move on.

Thank you so much for your advice and sharing all these resources with me! :)
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Re: Would like advice in dealing with spirits..

Postby Sakura Blossom » Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:44 am

You are very, very welcome and I'm glad I could help!

Smudging is very good too and if you have never done so before it's important to remmebr to stay incredibly positive and upbeat the entire time. I've seen others who are more firm and... Not necessarily demanding and I'm not saying you can't do that, of course. I've always viewed it more as be positive and happy because you're then filling the space with better energy vibrations. There are resources too on how to smudge if you haven't before.

I agree, too, that you should try to talk to him again if you still feel he is around. I personally believe, after speaking with a spirit, that they sometimes choose to stay behind. That being on this plane doesn't necessarily mean they are trapped. Some might really like a place or person so they choose to stay or they just don't want to go. The only time that I use banishing and sending them off is when they're nasty. If you aren't going to be good/safe with me then I will not be to you. Treat others how you wish to be treated. ;) haha!

I wish you a lot of luck and if you have anymore questions please don't hesitate to ask.

Let us know how it goes!
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Would like advice in dealing with spirits..

Postby RosieMoonflower » Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:55 pm

Okay, finally ready to report on my shielding practice. I have been practicing the second and third methods suggested by Shakura. At first I was imagining myself surrounded with white light and practices this for several days. Then one day while praying for help with shielding I felt the presence of a goddess and my shield light turned gold. This was a wonderful spiritual for me since I have little to no experience with goddesses and had wondered how to start building a relationship. Anyways, since then my light is white with gold speckles.

I also have a small polished clear crystal quartz that is on a string and can be worn as a necklace. I have prayed and meditated over it and it and decided that it will be my protective charm to help me with my shielding especially during mediation or divination.

As far as smudging, I have not found a place online to order some materials so I may have to use your spray recipe Shakura. However, I bought this beautiful little crystal bell at a thrift store I had a gift card to, and I am interested in learning to use it to clear away bad energy, so if you know anything about using sound to clear away negative energy and spirits, please share! Thanks for all your great info!

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