Everything Under the Moon

So I noticed a few spells out there have you giving an small item to a person. Be it a lover, friend, someone you wish to banish, protect, etc. What happens if you give that item to someone, they see it and they throw it away? Say it's something small like a pin or a scrap of paper. The spell say give it to the person. The person doesn't believe in that kind of thing if you do explain it or you don't and they don't see the significance and toss it anyways.

Does the spell still work?

Or can you do an alternative and say if they have a bagpack, purse, wallet, put it in the sole of their shoe (under shoe lining) of a pair they wear often, etc etc. and just hide it on the person like that? Would that count as giving it to them. I think objects like pins are harder because they are dangerous to go hiding in things but with scraps of paper putting it in someone's purse or bagpack would be fairly easy. If they take their shoes off at any point and leave them unguarded most shoes the inner lining comes right up and you could easily put a piece of paper in there.

There isn't really a spell in particular that I am thinking of, but it kinda just crossed my mind after some recent readings and spell searching to rebuild my BoS.

Another question would be with candle magic.

So I was told the other day that I could use a pin as a place holder in a candle. So if I wanted to do a chant or something at the point of the pin... most spells that involve that say to say the chant as the flame passes through the pin, then let the pin drop.

What happens if the pin just keeps sinking with the candle? The flame never passes through it? Do I just say the chant at the point where the pin would have been and just let it go to the next pin? Repeat the next night until the candle is gone?

I know they might seem silly but I've never had a community to bounce off of before so as I relearn all of this and I get the same questions I used to have coming up, I'm going to be asking a lot of those questions. I'd rather know the right way, then go off the assumed way that I had when I was much younger. Better safe than sorry with this stuff, you know.

Thanks in advance.

ErisDysnomia wrote: Or can you do an alternative and say if they have a bagpack, purse, wallet, put it in the sole of their shoe (under shoe lining) of a pair they wear often, etc etc. and just hide it on the person like that? Would that count as giving it to them. I think objects like pins are harder because they are dangerous to go hiding in things but with scraps of paper putting it in someone's purse or bagpack would be fairly easy. If they take their shoes off at any point and leave them unguarded most shoes the inner lining comes right up and you could easily put a piece of paper in there.

No, that would be like casting on spell on someone without their permission...
And that, would be unethical and can boom-a-rang back on you.
Not to mention the fact if they found said item, and if they
recognize your writing all hell can break loose-do you want that ?

Candle magick...
Why would you stick a pin in a candle ? Are you using a taper candle and only
want to use part of it ? Cut it in half then, or get a few chime candles or you
could always use a tea-lite candle-dollar stores have them scented and colored.
Gentle Light
MsMollimizz

I could see how that would affect that. Good point. So if the person doesn't accept the gift or offering? Does the spell not work? Like say you make a protection talisman or charm for someone and they don't want the gift? I made each of my friends a stone etched with their initials this summer. Each had a different purpose. One was protection (family issues I wont say much more), one was luck (she was having a lot of unlucky stuff going on and I wanted to help her out it worked), and the other was emotions (he's emotionally repressed and has trouble it was kind of a helper charm so he felt more comfortable with him emotions, he has been more emotionally forward since receiving the charm). Lucky they all took their key-chain charms that I made. What if they hadn't though? How would I work a spell like that? You know what I mean?

EDIT: Here is a spell from the site as an example http://www.everythingunderthemoon.net/s ... n-pain.htm The bag at the end, what if they don't want it? Or take it but throw it away later once you are out of sight?

I was using the pins as place holders because the candles burn for 6+ hours straight. All I have access to is a tiny Walmart, and buy taper online can be ridiculous if your buying one or two and the shipping out weights the value (depending where you look or if you need it last minute for whatever reason) My Walmart only sells White and Red Tapers. So I have been using votives in the desired color.

Like there is one spells I was looking at that said to stick a pin in towards the top of the candle. Say a chant as you stick the pin, half way do the same. Then let the candle burn down to the first pin. As the flame passes through the pin say the next portion of the spell, let the pin drop as the candle continues to burn. Then let it burn down through the next pin and the spell will be complete. I was just wondering how that would even work.

I tested it with my space markers (I have been burning a candle every night a mediating on it using the pins as place holders to know how far I want it to burn down each night as per suggestion on another post I made) but the pins never actually say up so a flame can pass through them... I didn't think they would, the pin gets hot and melts the wax. So the pin keeps sinking.

I just wasn't sure how someone would tackle that. Maybe it's because I have votives which are larger and burn a little different and the writer intended something else? Like a taper?

I'm just asking questions as I come across things.

My thinking on refused or rejected spells is that the spell intent is cancelled. People can conscioisly over-ride your wishes for them with their own intention of self-will by rejecting it. Generally, we would not discuss a spell afterwards because it draws the energy back to us, or someone who opposes us may wish to counteract it. So rejecting a spell is similar to this idea.

if they don't know your gift includes a spell, and they throw away the gift, or if they regifted and passed your Charm-spell to someone else,..depends on if it had the target specifically named in the intention...a charm wouldn't work unless the named person kept it. But a "pay to the bearer of" would work on anyone. Never pick up a coin laying at a cross roads as it may be a pass-on spell, such as passing someone's warts to whoever picks up the coin so that the originator can get rid of the warts.

That was me who suggested the pins...and yes, i thought you were using taper candles. Sorry about that. Votive candles may not work for segments because they melt down the center.

If it's repetitive chanting, tie a knots in a long piece of string like beads, and say one chant per knot/bead. Or keep a clock in view. Set a timer. Let the dog out and chant until he barks to come back in. Again, experiment.