Re: Magical Theory 101
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:08 pm
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Religion is an attempt to understand the purpose and essence of life, the world and the universe, while science is an attempt to understand how the purpose and essence of life and the universe works. Well, if there's a purpose and essence, that must have something to do with how it works. So yep it is more appropriate to say, "behind all science is small piece of religion."It was stated by the OP that " Behind all religion is a small piece of science. Though oft times ignored it remains." - The Judge
I say that is backwards. The first thing you are taught as a student of the sciences at university level is that all science comes from religion. Religion being humanities first attempts at understanding the greater complexities of life and organizing them so they could be applied and used to benefit everyone.
Astronomy, the oldest science, and the oldest religion.
Bearing your examples in mind one will realize that there can be no real conflict between any scientific theory and magick. Magick is an abstract science and like introducing a match to a caveman or teaching thermodynamics to Jesus, it cannot be understood by most people if they don't change their perception and consciousness. The caveman has a prehistoric mind and he would never understood the science behind the match because his perception and consciousness is trapped in his own prehistoric limited logical categories and assumptions.My sources are Buckland, Gardner, Crowley, A.E. White and Agrippa.
One thing I would like to remind everyone of before you read my concepts of magic. Arthur C. Clarke - "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Technology also applies to thinking and applicable thought models. Just as taking matches to a caveman would have been magic, teaching thermodynamics to Jesus would have also seemed as though information from the gods was being directly delivered.
It is my firm assertion that magic has to fall within specific categories of function, just as any other task is accomplished by means fit to result in the "work" you want or need done.
Trying to make a toaster change a flat tire on your car will have no results. Ever!
Is there a failure in faith that causes this? A failure to understand the toaster enough that you can make it bend to your will? Did you not provide enough offerings to the toaster that it may be appeased and pleased and in so do great works on your behalf?
No. It's a toaster. It was never intended to change a flat tire on a car.
This is exactly how most of my Deities (most belong to Daemonic pantheon)would react when I treat them as a divine answering machine or a fairy godmother.Imagine that someone got your cell phone number last night at a party. They spent all night being told what an awesome person you are. So the next morning after the party, they have a hangover because they drank too much so they start calling you and asking you to come make them pancakes and serve them breakfast in bed because they have a hangover, and someone told them you are an awesome person.
How quickly would you hang up on them? How quickly would you block their number? How likely would you be to go ahead and go to their house and trash the place as an object lesson to them to not hassle people they don't know because they were lazy or couldn't control their drinking?
Aaah... most of my Deities do send 'evil' upon men. The idea is that all my Deities employed Themselves to dispense blessings to humans and to inflict themselves. They can be sunshine and rainbows but They can be darkness and storm too!The concept that gods and powerful spirits are all benevolent sunshine and rainbows answering prayers because they don't have anything else to do is....gibberish. Where it came from or how it got started is beyond my understanding.
Hmm... spirits of the dead? Most ceremonial and ritual traditions incorporate some form or another of spirit work, but the entities aren't really earthbound human spirits or restless souls.Some of the oldest ceremonial magics are based on how to call the spirit of the dead so they can be questioned about the afterlife. Most of that came from the Lesser Key of Solomon...
As I said, magick is an abstract and perhaps the most complex science of all as it requires all the branches of it!So the next step is applying what magic is good for what situation. Theoretically of course.
If you want a new job...how exactly is natural magic going to help you with that? How is earth and fire, wind and water, going to help shape an opinion in the mind of another human, in such a way that they see you more favorably than they would have before?
And if you can't call on the elements to change or influence the mind of another human, should you imagine yourself calling on spirits or gods and asking them to nudge another persons thoughts in a way that can help you...remember the Pancake Hangover analogy. What are you willing to risk to attempt magic.
Ceremonial magic uses symbols in layers on layers of protections to encapsulate the practitioner from the very thing that they are trying to contact. And most of the ceremonial spells have a similar counter layer specifically for the spirit you are conjuring to commune with. So the practitioner is in a protective circle, summoning a spirit into another circle, inside a triangle. Why the double layer of protection if all you are doing is asking a favor?
COMMUNE...that's an important concept. Sharing. Community of Sharing. To Commune with Spirits is to share with them. What are you willing to share? What would you share if you don't know what a spirit would want.
You call it radiation, I call it "vibration". But I think we're just saying the same thing after all.HopefulChild wrote:Something that I found really difficult to comprehend when I first started reading about Wicca and Witchcraft was the consistent yet vague insistence that you needed to "be in tune with nature"..walk barefoot. Drink water from a pond. Go out naked in the moonlight.
Sounded ridiculous.
So I disassembled the elements of the phrase. Nature. Tune. Tune in to nature? Sure, lets run with that as a concept.
How do you tune in anything. Musical instruments, you adjust controls so that the sound that gets made, matches a preset frequency that is accepted by the collective as the "right" sound, in order to play in harmony with the other musicians. That concept is understandable, but how plausible is it?
What is another way we tune...We tune in radios. We modify the gain on our antennae (power supply) so that the interruption of incoming wave patterns climbs down the metal as interference and a series of components translates that interference by removing our own gain pattern and what is left is applied to the speaker and the waves we picked up are once again sound.
Those sounds were transmitted from the broadcast unit, traveled through the air, and inside the electromagnetic shell of the planet, a carrier wave, and hit that metal rod attached to the receiver and were converted back into information we could understand.
Ok...how plausible is that? Is there any narrative I can think of that support this, even anecdotaly? Well, there was that episode of Giligans Island where Giligans metal filling in his tooth was picking up radio signals and his ear canal turned into a speaker so when he opened his mouth music came out.
And it's funny because that is a TV version of real information from the 1920's and why the formulation of teeth fillings was changed. So research that.
How good of an antennae is a human being for radio signals?
Turns out we are terrible at picking up standard RF waves. Too much water in our body. We have out own overlapping and collapsing electromagnetic field densities that interfere with the signal and we have no way to filter our own power supply out of the combined signal so it would be gibberish anyway.
But wait...just because we are a bad antennae, does still mean we are an antennae!
You follow?
Every living thing, is an antennae. We DO receive and Broadcast radiation signals every moment for our entire lives from the moment that our brain chemistry ignites synapses.
Now we have known for a long time scientifically that humans generate multiple forms of radiation, EM fields, and infrared radiation in the form of heat.
So we know for a fact that humans are broadcasting 24 hours a day, all of our lives, low levels of radiation, RF waves, EM Fields, and IR waves.
Can we receive?
We can receive signal info not only to animals but to the woods, trees, plants, stones, rivers, springs, heavenly bodies, and even to our self-made symbols and crafts.So if we can broadcast, which we do already.
And we see that other animals can receive secret signal information...
What keeps humans from being able to receive more easily?
I don't know actually. But based on everything else I believe it is possible. Well, I'd say I know it is possible. I just don't have a functional methodology of teaching myself how to improve my tune in ability.
But I'm working on it.
I understand that. I'm just merely sharing my views and principles I acquired over the years. It's been a while since someone (unintentionally) aroused me to share something like this again here but you may notice that I'm a bit longwinded!You may be making assumptions about how quickly people can integrate information.
I agree with the reality that all materials share or have spirit. But just stating that, isn't the same as building a model inside the individuals mind from smaller steps, so that they can then ask the questions themselves that bridge the aspects of information either correctly or incorrectly because even incorrect results, result in learning, once you apply the information and discover you are incorrect.
I'm applying Llaurilard's Theoretical Conversational Model of learning. In this venue, it seems the best application since we don't really have a captive audience.