Everything Under the Moon

i dont have to read them ive already lived it as well as coping with being severely disabled and needing 24hr carer. I wasn't judging others just saying how it is from person who has been there and come back.

Every death is self-imposed therefore every death is suicidal. This might be hard to grasp at first but everyone who has ever died has either thoght about dying, had some intuative sign from God and ignored it or something they did in a past life and karma has returned to them. The truth is there is no such thing as death only life. Death is a created experience which you cherish life more. For you to experience anything something opposite of that thing or being must show up first. Trust me hands on I have looked death in the face(I was shot in the head two years ago) and I can honestly say there is nothing to be afraid of in this universe. God is good, God is life, LIVE your life,EVIL is LIVE spelled backwards therefore is the backwards motion of life itself. There is no hell or death only after-life in the astrl plane awaiting to be reincarnated into physical form again. Remember, you cannot do anything physical to something that is spiritual. Your body exist in a physical realm which is not real in the first place. Your spirit exist on another state of existence which is real! To put it shortly, dont worry, none of this is real!!!

Every death is self-imposed therefore every death is suicidal. This might be hard to grasp at first but everyone who has ever died has either thoght about dying, had some intuative sign from God and ignored it or something they did in a past life and karma has returned to them. The truth is there is no such thing as death only life. Death is a created experience which you cherish life more. For you to experience anything something opposite of that thing or being must show up first. Trust me hands on I have looked death in the face(I was shot in the head two years ago) and I can honestly say there is nothing to be afraid of in this universe. God is good, God is life, LIVE your life,EVIL is LIVE spelled backwards therefore is the backwards motion of life itself. There is no hell or death only after-life in the astrl plane awaiting to be reincarnated into physical form again. Remember, you cannot do anything physical to something that is spiritual. Your body exist in a physical realm which is not real in the first place. Your spirit exist on another state of existence which is real! To put it shortly, dont worry, none of this is real!!!

forgive me but guess what i have died as well serveral times and for different lengths of times.I guess you dont have the ablity to talk to the dead either becasue if you could you would know that for each person the experice is different for each person that dies they face their own demonic demons or angels depending on their life or if their karma is damaged.
as for the astral plane i travel there alot and im very able to leave my body just like a lot of poeple on this forum are able to do so.

If your mind is filled with demons and negativity, you'll manifest negativity in the physical and spiritual planes of existence. It's important to avoid negativity if you want to ever be filled with joy. Joy isn't something that's given to you by someone else. You have to create it. You have to find it yourself.

Most people who commit suicide have tortured minds so it would stand to reason that they'll still be tortured in the afterlife. They were already in the habit of holding onto their negative thoughts and stewing on them until it drove them to madness. Once they are spirits, they'll continue doing the same thing. That's how you end up with the scenario that Ron described.

I believe it's true also that everyone commits suicide to some degree, but I think it's the degree that matters. If you're a healthy teenager and you commit suicide, you'll suffer a much more severe karmic backlash for having murdered the body that was assigned to you. If you're an old person who's sick with cancer and in a lot of pain, the spirits understand better why you would commit suicide. Not that that makes it right, but you'd just have less bad karma as a result of a suicide like that.

What you need to think about is the effect that your death will have on other people... If you're a young person and you kill yourself in any careless or stupid way, you'll be messing up not only your own karmic path, but also the path of many other people as well: The spouse you were supposed to marry, the kids you may have had, their children that they would have had, the co-workers you would've met and affected in some way, potential friends, neighbors, the stranger that you gave a dollar to and it changed their whole life, the poem you were going to write that saved someone's life... There are so many of these little things that we do to affect other people every day and we usually don't even realize we're doing it. Many of these events are planned in advance before you incarnate, so that if you intentionally do something to mess up those plans, you're messing things up for many people besides just yourself. Even if you think that you don't affect anyone because you live alone and don't have many friends (like me) imagine all the people on the Internet whose lives you could touch if you reached out to other people. (That's also the cure for depression, by the way - helping other people.)

Killing yourself can happen in so many ways... You can smoke cigarettes or pot or other drugs and kill your body slowly (or quickly, depending on the drug of choice), you can eat yourself to death.. well, you guys have probably all seen the movie Seven. And if you haven't, please don't. It is disgusting and I wish I could wipe the memory of it from my mind. That's the problem with scary movies and books - once you've watched/read it, you can't simply erase it from your mind. It's there to stay. So please be cautious about the kinds of influences you allow into your mind. It truly is important. Just like with food - whatever you feed your body will eventually show it's effects. It's the same with feeding your mind. Don't feed it a bunch of crap that you don't want to have to deal with at a later date.

Bright Blessings,
Starwitch

elicit wrote:
forgive me but guess what i have died as well serveral times and for different lengths of times.I guess you dont have the ablity to talk to the dead either becasue if you could you would know that for each person the experice is different for each person that dies they face their own demonic demons or angels depending on their life or if their karma is damaged.
as for the astral plane i travel there alot and im very able to leave my body just like a lot of poeple on this forum are able to do so.

Im sorry, I meant no one ever really dies in the sense that even when you die you dont stop living. The process in which we call life never ends so in that sense there is no death. A spirit is pure raw energy, and energy cannot be created or destroyed, this much we know. On another note i do meditate and have out-of-body experiences but I have yet to travel to the astral plane. Im a Shamanistic Psychic not a Medium, but I do have a close friend who is a Medium. Im more into communication with plants and animals, healing others, animals, and inanimate objects such as cars! (yes...cars)

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what circumstances has lead this person to feel so low that they feel they have no other option but to end their life....

There bare bones of it there are many different types of individuals and personality/character types - some able to cope and others not, some have coped for so long they don't know any other way and yet others are falling apart because they can no longer go on.

No one experience or piece advice is the answer... the person themselves must find their own reason for living, not just for today but for tomorrow and the next day, next year etc etc.

You can try to put them on the right path but if they don't find their own inner strength to keep going then all you are doing is prolonging what they are inevitably going to turn to - suicide.

They must find their own passion, burning spirit, will to live - call it whatever you like but it has to be their's. Support them, be there for them, encourage them, inform them of the consequences of their actions, how will it make family feel/you feel etc but at the end of the day they must be free to make their own choices.

In my experience this has worked, you have to talk the issues through with the person... not disregard them, make them feel ashamed, they have the right to feel as they do... you on otherhand have absolutely no right to tell them how they should be feeling.

I hear people say that it is a personal choice and defending the concept of suicide all the time. Then they ask me if i have ever wanted to commit suicide. Here is the answer i give them. "Why do a job half way? If you commit suicide all you are doing is giving yourself blowback for your next life. Commiting suicide is like sewing up a wound with the bullet still in it. So no i have never thought about suicide." What i dont tell them is that lately i have been looking for a way to end the cycle of death and rebirth. Suicide is doing a job halfway so untill a way is found to end the cycle of death and rebirth you just rack up more and more blowback everytime you do it and your next life see's that blowback. Why make it harder on yourself?

Ashe wrote:I hear people say that it is a personal choice and defending the concept of suicide all the time. Then they ask me if i have ever wanted to commit suicide. Here is the answer i give them. "Why do a job half way? If you commit suicide all you are doing is giving yourself blowback for your next life. Commiting suicide is like sewing up a wound with the bullet still in it. So no i have never thought about suicide." What i dont tell them is that lately i have been looking for a way to end the cycle of death and rebirth. Suicide is doing a job halfway so untill a way is found to end the cycle of death and rebirth you just rack up more and more blowback everytime you do it and your next life see's that blowback. Why make it harder on yourself?

Very well put, and if they recalled the feelings that are felt by all that are affected by purposely killing themselves, they'd see that it was something that they never want to do again.

thanks ron

Rather than trying to end a repetitive cycle, why not heal the wound and change the cycle?

Maybe one does not want to heal the wound...because its a personal choice.

Ive struggled with suicide and depression for years but especially i have found myself struggling with it even more so lately due to financial stress and other factors, but the only thing that keeps me from killing myself is my baby girl. I don't want to abandon her but sometimes i just feel so damned hopeless and depressed that i feel like i am worth more dead than alive. I have gotten to the point sometimes that i tied the noose around my neck sometimes i just want to give up and say the hell with everything but something always holds me back. I have no one i can confide in no one who will listen without a biased opinion.

Gloria, I'd be happy to listen, if you'd like a willing ear.

I understand stress and unhappiness with life, quite well. Perhaps we can help one another. I definitely don't want to have you, or anyone here, feeling as though they are alone and must continue to walk their path singularly. Feel free to PM me, anytime. (Occasionally it'll take me a day or two to get back to you, but I will.) :28:

Bright Blessings,
Moonstone

Gloria, I think that you'll see many here will listen to you, I too am one of them also, and I do think open mindedly, so there will be less bias. No one should have to go through times like that alone, so you know you can say what you want here and myself and others will be here to listen.

Do not give up, you are a great person. If you need help, or anything let me know.

Ron

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