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The use of hallucinogens in Wicca

Postby Persephone » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:09 am

Perhaps a strange topic to start my time on this board with, but it's a question that's been on my mind lately. Basically I'm reading books by Scott Cunningham right now and he mentions the shamans used hallucinogens during their rituals, but that the modern Wicca has done away with this. I'm wondering why this is exactly and if it's wrong to use hallucinogens in the context of Wicca?

I'm not a hardcore user of hallucinogens or anything, but I do use shrooms or LSD maybe 2 or 3 times a year. It's fascinating to me what the mind can do and see in these circumstances. Should I keep this separate from my Wicca interests though?
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Re: The use of hallucinogens in Wicca

Postby SpiritTalker » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:35 am

The Grimoire of Lady Sheba (1972-Llewellyn) was the 1st commercial publication of openly Wiccan teaching & rituals, i.e., not disguised as fiction (at least in the US.) Lady Sheba (Jesse Bell) was Alexandrian but her Eightfold Path text is the same as Gardnerian & I reference it only to show that "correct & controlled" use of hallucinogens was accepted.

The 8-fold Path (union with the divine)

First - Intention & concentration of intent...Visualization. Meditation.
Second- Rising on the planes. Using many trance states a.k.a projection of the astral body.
Third - The Keys: rites, rituals, chants, spell-casting, runes, charms, amulets, talismans, the magical link.
Fourth - The correct & controlled use of drugs (hemp, kat, mushrooms etc.), ritual wines, whiskey & incense.
Fifth - the dance & kindred practices to raise the fiery cone of power.
Sixth - Warricking, blood control by use of cords, breath control & kindred practices.
Seventh - the ancient rite of scourging to purify.
Eighth- the great rite, the spiritual Union as well as physical Union of male & female to create life. Sex magic.

Lady Sheba adds: "The 4th path is a very powerful way to the Center. The aids quickly unlock the inner eye & swiftly release the spirit from its physical prison. Therefore, judge ye wisely with whom ye will choose to tread the Pathways to Wisdom, for ye must accompany them until they stand in the Divine Light of the Center. This knowledge must not be taught to fools."

Some of the things in the 4th & 6th paths can kill you. Robert Cochrane died in 1966 of a ritual overdose. A responsible coven leader will not encourage fools. "Correct & controlled use" means it's not for solitary practice & should be monitored. Just sayin'. What anyone does is their business & choice.
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Re: The use of hallucinogens in Wicca

Postby firebirdflys » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:54 pm

We here at EUTM, neither encourage or condone action within this subject matter and is only here for the purpose of knowledge. :fairy:

The mushroom and other psychedelic's got a bad rap as of the 60's but it is being discovered that there is major healing power within a variety psychotropics. It's unfortunate that it becomes a difficult (to illegal) task to discover how they can be a beneficial tool in our magic bag.
In my opinion any church with legal status should be able to do what they wish when it come to contacting deity within their sacred temples as long as all parties are willing and murder is not involved. The Native American church comes to mind, and other native ceremonies such as the Sundance. But here in American if you are not of a recognized tribe to this end then pursuing psychedelic or mutilation rituals are illegal.
We are dwellers of the land where ever in the world you live and should be allowed to seek spiritual enlightenment however you get there. Just don't kill yourself in the process. There is a complex system of helpers and guides in these ceremonies that are essential to ensure that all stay safe within these Rites, keep that in mind.

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Re: The use of hallucinogens in Wicca

Postby Lady_Lilith » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:46 pm

I would say Wicca doesn't encourage drug use but it also doesn't condemn it. I hope that make sense. Most Wiccan rituals contain no drug usage. I agree with FB and others about this. Not recommended for solitaries and probably not common in covens either.
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Re: The use of hallucinogens in Wicca

Postby barker » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:26 am

Drugs are for divine justice - take them serious.
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Re: The use of hallucinogens in Wicca

Postby HopefulChild » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:59 pm

On the historical side of ritual and ceremonial magic for religious purposes hallucinogenics would not be recommended.
The incantations and prayers can be 200-300 words long and must be repeated for an hour or more over and over. Then all of the participants who have a role, usually 3-6 people have to conduct actions or activities throughout that time period as well. There is discussion whether the "incense" and perfumes of antiquity would have contained psychoactive compounds. Considering also that some ceremonies required burning pounds of incense, it's possible that people entered altered states by way of that. Trippin ballz would make that endeavor nearly impossible.

Shamanism is a different scenario and so is solitary magical practice. Shaman and solitaries (I'm a little of both) are looking to open up their perception and the thin the veil. If some "thing" gets you to the zone without endangering yourself, then harm none and do as you will.
There are groups, and schools of thought that warn that altered states of mind make you open to certain metaphysical dangers, so depending on your concern over those topics you would want to take that in to consideration.

I can't say that getting hammered, is beneficial to any one aspect of spirituality. All things in moderation. Unless you are just dead set on chaos worship. It's certainly not likely to make your rituals "more religousy".

I'm currently steeping a wormwood mixture in a 24% abv rum and I'll sip that next to my fire pit now that it's winter and meditate outside... It's not for partying, but it will make it easier to bypass my irritation of that person who cut me off in traffic, or the litany of meetings I have coming in the next week.

Now the reasons behind a lot of this is that Wicca is in that phase where it's popularity is growing past the original lashing out from the 60's to 80's and it needs to present itself to the "grown up world" as respectable. It's what happens to most people when they are about to turn 25 and they show up to their parents anniversary dinner dressed respectfully and don't get super drunk. This is how you show Mom and Dad how grown you are.

Wicca is trying to show the other religions how grown it is.
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