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Postby thatguy » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:24 pm

Is the sin in talking to the dead, or only if they talk back? ;)

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Postby JamesDean » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:42 pm

Good one, lol. :lol:
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Postby [Kris] » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:03 pm

Okay first off I shall be nice for I have no idea on who is christain and who isn't and personially that is your business so I shall put this in the nicest way I can. I will not give my full belief of where the bible came from. But I must agree with storm. The bible is doing nothing but telling you what you can't do and what you should do but then it turns around and says well if you are going to do this then you should do it this way. I'm sorry if that sounds mean. I used to go to church, believe in god, and was even baptised as a child. But as I got older I started feeling like there was something more than "god". I started studing about the goddess and wicca a few months ago and I actually feel like I have found my calling. I do not believe "god" is the highest power and I do not read the bible, although I have many times. But I have a question or two for anyone who is willing to answer. Why is it a sin to talk to the dead? In the bible it says that after you die then you either go to heaven or hell does it not? Then why are the spirits of the dead still on earth if they were supposed to go to heaven or hell?
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Postby Sercee » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:27 pm

Then why are the spirits of the dead still on earth if they were supposed to go to heaven or hell?

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Postby [DarkWoman] » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:01 pm

Kris wrote:...I have a question or two for anyone who is willing to answer. Why is it a sin to talk to the dead? In the bible it says that after you die then you either go to heaven or hell does it not? Then why are the spirits of the dead still on earth if they were supposed to go to heaven or hell?


Here, here! I had that same question when reading this whole thing. I'm not a big Bible person either. It hurt my feelings when I read that witchcraft and magick were evil and I was a Christian. I always loved the idea of magick and when I got older and discovered there was a whole worls outside of the Bible, I never looked back. But yea... I would love to know the "correct" answer to this too if there is one.
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Postby [DarkWoman] » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:06 pm

Double post. Sorry.
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Postby Exilus » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:24 pm

I am not a chritian either as ANYONE who reads my posts will know. But i have studied the bible more than i would like sometimes.

To asnwer you, when you die you do NOT go directly to heaven. According tothe bible when you die in revelations your soul is sent first to limbo, no man or women will ever enter the kingdom of the christian god, untill armagedon at which time Jesus is suppose to return to the world.

And he will enter the as a lion and go out as a lamb. I am not posting this whol ething so forget it.

at that time he will wake all those who are waiting in limbo or sleeping for him to call them into heaven, where they will be judged. Then only the true followers of THAT god will be allowed into heaven.

So when you speak to spirits you are waking someone from limbo that only god himself is suppose to have the power todo. It also claims that the spirits we talk to are not the people they claim to be. but instead we are speaking to devils who have pulled the wool over our eyes.

By excepting their council we are accepting the word of evil as truth therfore we are evil.

and after reading back I do not beleive there is a single christian on this convo infact...lol

I don't study the bible because i beleive it, I study it because I keep my friends closer but my enemys well you get the point.
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Postby Exilus » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:37 pm

lilady_love wrote:if the book of geninssis (spelling sorry) is correct, and all that s in it is or will soon come true then obviously it was okay for some body to use some "witchcraft" no? i mean it was a vision it was a dream it was something of the sort.. i am not really a bible person.. other then i know what to say to piss most thumpers off... but his makes sense to me
should maybe pick one up and have allok through
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Your right..lol. but as I said... point to his post above..., If christians did what the bible said jesus would have been burned as a witch, Ohhh wait they hate the jewish because they did just that... The bible doesnt contradict its self actuially, cristians condrivt themselves, and thats the fnny part.

If you read the bible cover to cover line for line, Don't jump around, don't treat it like a cribs note book from colledge but read it, every passage that is in it has to do with the story that it is in, it doesnt jump or finish itself three books later, as christians would love for people to beleive.

For instance even the proof texts that some christians use to say this is why jesus is the son of god. The profecy that claims god will send a son, in the old testament, was not by any means refering to jesus it was in fact refering to John, who was born and met all the criteria of it, less than ten years after it was made.

Christians use magic and witch craft all the time in their beleif and always have, It just termed from god so its ok, while ours comes from evil demon gods, and is based in the earth. Christians by their very nature, or most of them any way(Christians in the house chill this a pagens veiw.) Are hypocrits when they take the term christian they are announcing Hypocrycy(sp). If you ask a catholic preist today about excersism they will denigh it ever happened, if ask them about the enquisition, accept for the fact they deemed the people who started it all blashemers and removed them from the church therfore clearing themselves of wrong doing, the would try to say they never did it.

I study this because its easier to kow what your fighting against then what you are fighting for, because if you no both no one can ever catch you off guard.
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Postby Sercee » Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:37 am

Well, that's interesting. I don't think even Christians pay attention to that Limbo point, Exilus. Most that I know just say 'heaven or hell'.

Regardless, that made a lot of sense. Thank you.
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Postby Eretik » Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:51 am

This is something I did when young, it illustrates the use of 'magic' as Catholicism, presented in mass as the holiest part, these are o.k. for a priest to do, but heretical when used by others?"When I was a small child I began reading about vampires and ghosts, this terrified me as I saw echoes of this in church [ Iwas raised Catholic] It seemed to me that the part of mass where the priest holds up the chalice saying' eat of this my body and drink of this my blood' was no better than ghoulish vampirism, linked to the belief that doing do will invest the user with the power of the victim! I marked my window ledge with sigils [ from a book on psychic self defence!] and I found a clove of garlic which I sat on my inner window ledge, I was convinced that as I knew the secret of the mass, they'd come and get me! After a week or so of no sleep and some strange behaviour from me, a priest asked me about it, what was wrong? He was one of the kinder young ones. I was very upset and it all came tumbling out, he was kind and told me about the doctrine of 'transsubstantiation' and that many of the aspects of mass were analogous and figurative [ in words my seven yr. old mind understood,of course] he also advised me to study theology and put down the horror books, for a while." I was reassured, but still suspicious, that suspicion never left me, even when I studied, I learned a lot about 'the mysteries' and it left me in no doubt that Christianity was an amalgamation of other older ways, translated and overwritten to suit. Strange story I know, but I remember to this day that fear I had. It kept me from being 'sucked in' to something I couldn't believe in. The priest concerned was a member of the 'Charasmatic' movement and left to become a missionary in South America, he kept in touch with my mum, through letters. He ended up leaving the Church and priesthood as he couldn't reconcile the horrors of poverty and cruelty he saw, with the spiritual doctrines of Catholicism. I don't really know why I told you this, it seemed apt.
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Postby Sercee » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:30 am

That's an interesting experience, Eretik. I'm glad the priest chose to try to help you instead of preach and freak you out about your evil ways LOL.

It's interesting, too that he wasn't able to stay with the church because of it's twisted rules. My favorite pastor was kicked out of the church because she divorced her husband (after he was beating her and her daughters!). I loved her because after confirmation, when I left the church to find my own path, she drove to the city I had moved to and took me out for breakfast to see how I was doing. She only brought up Christianity once, and that was to ask why I left. I told her, and she accepted that as my way and didn't in any way make me feel I was wrong to do so. She was kicked out a few months later.
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Postby flinch » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:51 pm

ok #1 let me say that the bible says that witchcraft is a sin (sorry if that has already been said but I only skimmed through most of the posts instead of reading them.) So for all those who say that you are a "christian witch" I will opose that but believe what you will.... Anyways I think that when you speak of being able to communicate with the dead or spirits, I do believe that it is possible...
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Postby JamesDean » Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:34 am

I'm not really a christian witch. I'm not sure if I'm going to remain Christian. And I've never tried magic, though I am interested in it. One of my Wiccan friends says once a year she uses a spell to summon and talk to family members that have passed on.

Its nice to see though that people believe me on my ability. :D
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Postby [Kris] » Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:12 am

I think that everyone has a good point, expecially about the christain witch thing. I must admit that I used to christain. But when I went to church, it felt as if I were to be somewhere else, or that I had crossed into enemy lines. But I don't really know weather or not I should consider talking to the dead a sin. I mean sure you could be waking the dead but what if you have spirits in your house that want to communicate with you. What if they long for human interactions? Should we ignore them because they are "evil" and take the chance of pissing them off or what? Personially I love to talk to the spirits of the dead. You can find out so much from them. If it is a sin to talk to the dead then I am commiting this sin with pride. :twisted:
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Postby Sercee » Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:00 am

Yeah, I think if they're reaching out to you or you can sense them that easily then you aren't waking anyone up.
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