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Postby hicksfan » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:00 am

here are a few excerpts from Acharya's book "The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold, Chapter 9 “The Characters”

Osiris's "son" or renewed incarnation, Horus, shares the following in common with Jesus:

--Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Merion December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.

--His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph").

--He was of royal descent.

--At at 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized having disappeared for 18 years.

--Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated.

--He had 12 desciples, two of who were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").

--He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris" Lazarus in latin), from the dead.

--Horus walked on water.

--His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."

--He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."

--Horus was transfigured on the Mount.

--He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.

--He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God's Anointed Son," "the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.

--He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.

--He came to fulfill the Law.

--Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."
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Postby hicksfan » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:01 am

MITHRA OF PERSIA

--Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25 in a cave, and his birth was attended by shepherds bearing gifts.

--He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.

--He had 12 companions or disciples.

--Mithra's followers were promised immortality.

--He performed miracles.

--As the "great bull of the Sun," Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.

--He was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again.

--His resurrection was celebrated every year.

--He was called "the Good Shepherd" and identified with both the Lamb and the Lion.

--He was considered the "Way, the Truth and the Light," and the "Logos," [Word] "Redeemer," "Savior" and "Messiah."

--His sacred day was Sunday, the "Lord's Day," hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.

--Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter.

--His religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper," at which Mithra said, "He who shall nto eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved."

--"His annual sacrifice is the Passover of the Magi, a symbolical atonement of pledge of moral and physical regeneration."
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Postby hicksfan » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:01 am

Attis of Phrygia

--Attis was born on December 25 of the Virgin Nana.

--He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind.

--His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers

--His priests were “eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven.”

--He was both the Divine Son and the Father.

--On “Black Friday,” he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth.

--He descended into the underworld.

--After three days, Attis was resurrected on March 25 (as tradition held of Jesus) as the “Most High God.
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Postby hicksfan » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:02 am

Dionysus/Bacchus

--Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a manger.

--He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.

--He “rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.”

--He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.

--Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25.

--He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.

--He was called “King of Kings” and “God of Gods.”

--He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,” “Redeemer,” “Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.”

--He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.

--His sacrificial title of “Dendrites” or “Young Man of the Tree” intimates he was hung on a tree or crucified.
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Postby hicksfan » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:02 am

Krishna of India

The similarities between the Christian character and the Indian messiah Krishna number in the hundreds, particularly when the early Christian texts now considered apocrypha are factored in. It should be noted that a common earlier English spelling of Krishna was “Christna,” which reveals its relation to “Christ.” Also, in Bengali, Krishna is reputedly “Christos,” which is the same as the Greek for “Christ” and which the soldiers of Alexander the Great called Krishna. It should be further noted that, as with Jesus, Buddha and Osiris, many people have believed and continue to believe in a historical Krishna. The following is a partial list of the correspondences between Jesus and Krishna:

--Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki (“Divine One”) on December 25.

--His earthly father was a carpenter, who was off in the city paying tax while Krishna was born.

--His birth was signaled by a star in the east and attended by angels and shepherds, at which time he was presented with spices.

--The heavenly hosts danced and sang at his birth.

--He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants.

--Krishna was anointed on the head with oil by a woman whom he healed.

--He is depicted as having his foot on the head of a serpent.

--He worked miracles and wonders, raising the dead and healing lepers, the deaf and the blind.

--Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love, and he “lived poor and he loved the poor.”

--He castigated the clergy, charging them with “ambition and hypocrisy . . . Tradition says he fell victim to their vengeance.”

--Krishna’s “beloved disciple” was Arjuina or Ar-jouan (Jouhn).

--He was transfigured in front of his disciples.

--He gave his disciples the ability to work miracles.

--His path was “strewn with branches.”

--In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.

--Krishna was killed around the age of 30, and the sun darkened at his death.

--He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven “in the sight of all men.”

--He was depicted on a cross with nail-holes in his feet, as well as having a heart emblem on his clothing.

--Krishna is the “lion of the tribe of Saki.”

--He was called the “Shepherd of God” and considered the “Redeemer,” “Firstborn,” “Sin-Bearer,” “Liberator,” “Universal Word.”

--He was deemed the “Son of God” and “our Lord and Savior,” who came to earth to die for man’s salvation.

--He was the second person of the Trinity.

--His disciples purportedly bestowed upon him the title “Jezeus,” or “Jeseus,” meaning “pure essence.”

--Krishna is to return to judge the dead, riding on a white horse, and to do battle with the “Prince of Evil,” who will desolate the earth.
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Postby hicksfan » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:03 am

Zoroaster/Zarathustra

--Zoroaster was born of a virgin and “immaculate conception by a ray of divine reason.”

--He was baptized in a river.

--In his youth he astounded wise men with his wisdom.

--He was tempted in the wilderness by the devil.

--He began his ministry at age 30.

--Zoroaster baptized with water, fire and “holy wind.”

--He cast out demons and restored the sight to a blind man.

--He taught about heaven and hell, and revealed mysteries, including resurrection, judgment, salvation and the apocalypse.

--He had a sacred cup or grail.

--He was slain.

--His religion had a eucharist.

--He was the “Word made flesh.”

--Zoroaster’s followers expected a “second coming” in the virgin-born Saoshynt or Savior, who is to come in 2341 CE and begin his ministry at age 30, ushering in a golden age.
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Postby purplesummer » Sat May 02, 2009 9:04 pm

I was reading these a few days ago. I find it completely fascinating. It is interesting to see how many religions over lap. Maybe I just find that fascinating though. :lol:
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Postby Crowfeather » Sat May 02, 2009 9:56 pm

Yes very interesting.
I was reading a book not to long ago (but long enough to forget the title) was the parallel sayings of jesus and buddha.
Here's a link, with many sayings from the book (but not associated with the book)
http://www.heartlandsangha.org/parallel-sayings.html

This is why I used to say we all worship one god, we just call him different names. (When I was buddhist. Paganism doesn't apply.)
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Postby hicksfan » Mon May 04, 2009 9:00 am

purplesummer wrote:I was reading these a few days ago. I find it completely fascinating. It is interesting to see how many religions over lap. Maybe I just find that fascinating though. :lol:


they overlap mainly due to political reasons, not through any divine inspiration. constantine, for one, merged all of the major religions in the roman empire into christianity as we know it today. gnostic christians, sol invictus, mithras, zoroastrian, isis and immediately considered the worship of those original sources was heresy. to get people to convert (without threatening their lives as some did) you have to give them a level of familiarity.
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Postby Peregrine » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:25 pm

Wow! I knew about Dionysius, but did not know so much applied to other Old Religions as well. In addition to what you say about Dionysian religions, I would like to add what I learned back around the late 1990's.

In one particular sect, known as Orphism (as in Orpheus the High Priest), they made a symbolic ritual of his death and rebirth using barley cakes (to represent his body) and wine (to represent his blood). This practice in ancient Greece dates back at least to 600 B.C.

The historians/authors believe this was their attempt to "tame" the ritual so as to spare the lives of bulls that had been used in the past.

In some stories, after Dionysius was reborn, Zeus inflicted him with madness and sent him back to earth in order to experience, and thus understand the sufferings, of human beings. (A Christlike martyr?)

The rituals were not an excuse to get plastered. It was a serious attempt at communion with Dionysius. Orphics and other worshippers often faced ridicule for their "madness frenzies." This is comparable, it seems, to the way Native American tribes were (and sometimes still are) ridiculed by outsiders for the dances and chants around fires.
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Postby johan007 » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:06 pm

Superb! Sorry if it takes 1 year plus to reply to your postings, I couldn't help meself to convey my sincere utmost gratitude to your comparison-similarity outlines herein.

Just curious though...are there any more that u might missed out? I'm interested to know more, or in any other relevant facts that might support it all.


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Postby hicksfan » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:26 pm

johan007 wrote:Superb! Sorry if it takes 1 year plus to reply to your postings, I couldn't help meself to convey my sincere utmost gratitude to your comparison-similarity outlines herein.

Just curious though...are there any more that u might missed out? I'm interested to know more, or in any other relevant facts that might support it all.


If it is the truth...then lies may reveal itself naturally.


actually after a little more reading i did find the one true origin of all these. the thrust of all these come from the solar myth, the story made up about the sun's travels through the sky in a calendar year (and more) which helped man learn to farm and domesticate as well as navigate. the "sun" of god took personification as the "son" of god. the origin of the cross and the whole nine yards comes from the solar myth. google it, it's pretty wild.
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Postby hicksfan » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:27 pm

johan007 wrote:Superb! Sorry if it takes 1 year plus to reply to your postings, I couldn't help meself to convey my sincere utmost gratitude to your comparison-similarity outlines herein.

Just curious though...are there any more that u might missed out? I'm interested to know more, or in any other relevant facts that might support it all.


If it is the truth...then lies may reveal itself naturally.


the book that i referred to initially explains the solar myth in great detail, i highly recommed the read.
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Postby Peregrine » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:09 pm

Most of these examples refer to the story of Jesus. What of the Old Testament stories? Look no further than the stories of ancient Sumer, Babylon, and Assyria. I'll have to get the details but there are a lot of similarities.

Early Christians did not even believe in the existance of Hell according to Tentmaker.org. That was started under Constantine, who borrowed it from the Roman paganism which was at that time very militaristic.
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Re: sound familiar?

Postby Peregrine » Mon May 23, 2011 8:29 am

(Smiles) ASTROTHEOLOGY! I found quite a bit about it on YouTube during my hiatus. There has been a lot of debate back and forth about whether or not it has all been refuted. I need to find a library copy of Murdock's book and scour it for myself, but some of the claims are erroneous. That is NOT to say that because some things are flawed, the whole thing is wrong. I'm not hung up on inerrancy. I'll leave that handicap to fundamentalists. :) There are some noticeable patterns, however and my brief layman's study of astrotheology helped me find a few answers. It has helped me somewhat in solving the puzzle (riddle) to the bizarre Bible story about Elisha and the 42 children of Bethel. I'm still working on that one but I am getting there, and again I'm not hung up on inerrancy. Something got lost and garbled in translation.

Like I said in my previous (and now very old) post, I would highly recommend studying any scholarly work on ancient Mesopotamian mythologies, especially those of ancient Sumer. Want a story that sounds familiar? How about this one? Once upon a time there was a deity that willingly went to the underworld. Enduring humiliation, this deity was murdered and the body was hanged on a stake for three days. This deity's father sent two messengers to retrieve the body, which was brought back to life using the Bread of Life and Water of Life. HER name was Inanna, the goddess of love and fertility in ancient Sumer and her story dates back to AT LEAST 2000 BC. Enki the father god was the only one brave enough to even attempt a rescue. None of the other gods wanted to deal with Ereshkigal.

That is not the end of the story. Ereshkigal had a soul quota: if Inanna is gone, another must take her place. The one to take her place was none other than her BRIDEGROOM Dumuzi, a demi-god and shepherd king of Uruk. He was also the god of grain and summer harvests. With him gone, however, grains did not grow and there was no harvest. Without Inanna, "the maiden slept alone" as they put it. So another agreement was made. Dumuzi had a sister, Gestinanna. She was the goddess of autumn harvest and of the VINES. It was believed that the juice of the grapes was her LIFE GIVING BLOOD. She agreed to take Dumuzi's place in the underworld for six months out of the year. So in all three cases, there is a death and resurrection of deities, two of which are goddesses and one who is a SHEPHERD KING.

Also check out the prototypes to the story of Cain and Abel. There are two stories in which the farmer deity and the shepherd deity have a dispute. Father god Enlil this time has to make the chose. He favors the shepherd. There is no murder this time around, however. The farmer deity concedes to the decision and makes a peace offering to the shepherd deity.

The Epic of Gilgamesh has the story of a great flood. Enlil is angry at all the clamor by men and he regrets ever having created them. All he wants to do is get his sleep, but they are noisy. Apparently their culture made use of the hexidecimal system in regards to time (seen even now in our clocks: 60 seconds make a minute, 60 minutes make an hour). Enlil had a history of trying population control. There were two previous attempts, at 600 year intervals, to thin out the population. This time around, 600 years later, he decides to just wipe them all out with a great flood. Enki betrays Enlil's plan by warning his dedicated, righteous priest Uta Nipishtim by talking through the reed walls to this holy man. He gives him a warning, along with instructions on a large vessel to build and the animals and grain to take on board for himself and his family. It rains for six days and six nights, so that Enlil is able to rest on the seventh day. The gods have their regrets and weep at the site of all the dead bodies. They become angry at Enlil for making them all agree to destroy mankind. Enlil learns of one family of survivors and knows it is Enki's handiwork. Uta Nipishtim sends out birds a few times (pigeons/doves) to find dry land and his vessel lands on a ziggaraut, where he makes sacrifices to the gods. Enki pleads with Enlil to only punish the guilty from now on, and spare the innocent. Enlil agrees and makes a peace offering to never again destroy the entire race of men.

There is the story of how language disintegration took place. It involved a giant ziggaraut and a dispute between Enlil and Enki. Somehow this dispute ends by Enki causing language disintegration. (Prototype to Tower of Babel story)

There are so many others, I could go on and on. A serpent that deprives man of the fruit to obtain immortality, Dilmun (a peaceful garden where there is no pain or death, not even labor pains), etc. The number 40 was used often in their stories also. In sacred numerology, it was associated with Enki. The number 40 was used often to mean "very very many" or "too numerous to count." Later on, Hebrews use the number 40 a lot as well. These stories had been part of Mesopotamian culture for many years. Noteworthy scholars agree. Only some of the ultra-conservative evangelical types of "scholars" and Christian apologists try to claim that it was the Hebrews who had sole truth. One of the most bizarre arguments they will use is that the pagans had it wrong so God had to find a chosen people to get the story right. (?!?!?) They can believe what they want, but the evidence does not support it. Also, they run into many other problems as they seek any literal interpretations of the Bible. Archaelogy just does not support their claims.

I have several online sources if you are curious to read more:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane
http://www.bibleorigins.net (written by a secular humanist, so brace yourself for his occasionally heavy handed words)
http://home.comcast.net/~chris.s/sumer-faq.html
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