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Re: Science & Magick

Postby Kei Kawazu » Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:32 am

Also about the quantum physics stuff someone else replied " Found his bio:

http://www.lcorncalen.com/Bio-LarryCornett.htm

(also his resume, but I won't post that directly even if it is easy to find from his bio)

But:
Looks like BS in Physics from Purdue University (claims some some graduate work in Astrophysics as well) and M.S. Air Pollution Control Engineering, University of Cincinnati. I know nothing about those institutes, but on the surface it looks like he's got at least some backing to his claims. " it says physics but im not sure if quantum physics is included in physics, and someone may respond to this psot made as well.
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby Miss Pixie » Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:38 am

Kei Kawazu wrote:Do you have a link to the pictures she speaks about? i can only find the one image, she says there are 64 different frames even from different angles where the light could be seen.

I'm afraid not. I'm not sure what episode of National Geographic had the pictures in it.
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby Kei Kawazu » Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:44 am

i had to zoom in on the magazine she shows and it was from april 1979, i dont know if it was in an episode but it was in the magazine apparantly, unless the magazine only had one of the photoes.
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby Miss Pixie » Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:20 pm

Kei Kawazu wrote:i had to zoom in on the magazine she shows and it was from april 1979, i dont know if it was in an episode but it was in the magazine apparantly, unless the magazine only had one of the photoes.

Good eye!
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby Kei Kawazu » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:42 am

good eye, but i still dont know about the other photoes lol.
Also for others who read this what do you think about it?
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby Kei Kawazu » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:10 pm

after doing more research i think placebo effect may be related to magic cuz now there was a study done on how the placebo effect the people can be informed of and they will still get the effects of it, but the experiment needs repeating to be confirmed. I also think it relates to positive affirmations and chanting and hypnosis.
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby Kei Kawazu » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:07 pm

anyone want to hear the specifics on the last claim/idea i had?
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby Miss Pixie » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:26 pm

Kei Kawazu wrote:anyone want to hear the specifics on the last claim/idea i had?

Yes please. =)
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby Kei Kawazu » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:49 am

Ok, im not sure i have links for this idea but i can type out what i know or at least think i know lol

So the placebo effect, from studies i have read and such, can be used both with the patient knowing its a placebo, and can work without a palcebo at all. Like a study for how people lost weight and lowered cholesterol and blood pressure and stuff, they told them their jobs were good enough excersize so that they dont need to excersize at home, while others in the same jobs stayed the same when they werent told this.

Positive affirmations are statements said repeatedly in order to cause positive change, like, you are intelligent and caring and happy. It is like repetitive suggestion, with magic people can go into trance state with repetitive chanting, its proven people are more susceptible to suggestions when they are in a slower brainwave-state, like trance or hypnosis. Hypnotic states are deeper than trance often, but not all hypnosis sessions focus on that state, they can just give suggestions as well, basically positive affirmations when you are relaxed and accepting it.

Rituals are symbolic, their items used. Psychology has a thing or two to say about symbols and rituals. And the magic symbols would cause a mindset, or help to cause one, also the darker a room is the more your right brain becomes active, the part where the subconcious mind is, the spiritual mind also, intuition is from there as well. The chants themselves are symbols, being rhymy often or having symbolic language. Other than that chanting is jsut like positive affirmations, but the subconcious mind isnt language based, its feeling based, like when you have a dream and someone talks to you but you dont hear what they are saying but you know what they mean anyways. Also dreams are likely to be symbolic.

So when a ritual is done, the environment plays a massive role in how your mind is, which could influence magic, placebo effect, etc. You, for example, being in a different room with a different atmosphere in a dream one second you will feel one way, and the next second you are outside pink fluffy clouds and rainbows and nice smells in the air and stuff, your going to have a very different mindset lol.

Either way its best to know thyself lol. Also with psychology, we are used to interacting with external objects like they are internal, its how psychological projection occurs. Its how we try to understand things as well.

Also, maybe in dreams certain environments are harder to do certain abilities than others, its probably the same for waking life. So also if a ritual feels like you are part of some midevil cult magic thing then it might be more real than if it feels like you are a teenager with wishful thinking.

Also something interesting, dowsing works, i had a link on how in sri lanka its like 2.5x as accurate as scientific methods and it takes like 3% the time to find a underground water than how science can. They think its because they become hypersensitive and their subconcious mind lets them know where it is sort of. They think the subconcious mind figures out small details and such that they arent aware they are picking up on. Some people think its how empathy works. But i had a study i may have shown a link for already, and its how they had emotions projected to people in seperated rooms. So odds are extra sensory organs may in fact be subconcious. Which could explain some strong cases of intuition people have.

Also this morning i questioned why i had an abnormal nightmare, and eventually its like i had a different conciousness, and i even simulated the dream world in two places at once before while also still being awake, and i was figuring out my psychology and symbology stuff, it was so odd. Then after sunlight and the computer were turned on that part of my brain shut off, so i think it was my right brain and i think it has to do with seratonin and melatonin. Like how i said its easier for the right brain to be on during night time/in the dark than during the day. Also dolphins sleep one half of their brains at a time, reminds me of that kind of lol.
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby Kei Kawazu » Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:46 pm

Next i think i can explain astral and telekinesis :O
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby Kei Kawazu » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:41 am

theres a device from tesla, the earthquake machine, its the size of an alarm clock or so they say, and he put it on a buildings frame or something, and adjusted the frequency til it matched resonance with the metal, then it would tap the metal or something, then the house would eventually sway and collapse. It works like how a pendulum does, or like how moving on a swing does with someone pushing you intervally, if they push you at the right frequency then your speed will increase and increase. The momentum of the house wasnt visible at first, but the constant prods from the device caused it to sway and nearly fall over. The workers there thought there was an earthquake so tesla removed it and took off lol. They say ti can destroy the brookelyn bridge in under an hour, it weighs about 3 pounds.
imagine if a human resonated with the bridge in such a way, he weighs much more than three pounds. He coudl collapse the bridge even (though sadly himself as well lol, the bridge support he would have to be on.)

So how i see it is, pendulums are related to frequency, like when you push a person on a swing at the same interval causing him to speed up, pendulums work this way, the device is similar to a pendulum because it hits it at the right frequency, or interval, til it gets destroyed. So telekinesis should be like, spinning the pendulum in a circle having it gain momentum and gain momentum, until you release it so it hits an object at its center of gravity to knock it back. For example, if you want to slide a box it needs to hit perpendicularly to the boxes gravitational pull, to its center of gravity, so it needs to hit full forcedly there. But question now is, how can telekinesis be done? It would have the force needing to move through the air or ground or electrically is how i see it, but im not decided on this yet.

For astral projection, breathing makes a difference. Breathing is intervally just like frequency, and breathing can help to induce different kinds of mental states. Because of this it could be alikened to resonance. Also because people speak of vibrations, like a very fast frequency. The destruction of the house would have to be around the gravitational center of the house where the force is applied, or so ive been told. I think telekinesis would be applied to the surface of an object, like to slide something or roll a ball or somethign without touching it. Astral projection could be a surface area resonance, or it could be a changing of frequency to a specific zone in the body and mind. Its something to do with this i believe.

Humans have brainwaves anyways and a yogi i spoke to said the way you breath can be a key to unlocking different mental states or abilities he thinks. I know the way you breath, conciously or subconciously, is from the amygdala, which also affects heart rate, metabolism and other things. So it could very well change your brainwaves from how you breath.

Also something else thats interesting will be at the bottom of the links here. Dowsing.

http://twm.co.nz/dowsing_jse_com.html dowsing
http://www.excludedmiddle.com/earthquake.htm teslas earthquake machine
http://imig.stanford.edu/Placebo.pdf placebo effect from few posts prior
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby roseonfire » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:06 pm

Current theory on any type of psychokinesis is that you cause the movement by manipulating your aura and using that to create the motion. The aura is a scientifically recognized electromagnetic field of energy that surrounds an object.
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby Kei Kawazu » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:58 pm

i would like a link on it cuz that isnt much to work with.

But also people should note im not a scientist so if i make some mistakes forgive me but these are my closest ideas and theories and i try to be as unbias as possible.
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby roseonfire » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:11 pm

http://www.wingmakers.co.nz/Telekinesis.html
http://www.lodestoneandladysmantle.com/ ... ws_021.htm

The second site I'm a bit skeptical of their practice as I feel they over exaggerate, but the theory is solid.
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Re: Science & Magick

Postby Melindrose » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:33 am

Tesla's earthquake machine however was not able to do the trick on mythbusters; they recreated it as close as possible to his designs.
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