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Re: Paganism: When There Aren't Any Gods

Postby IsaacIcarus » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:13 pm

Excellent thread, thank you! This is something I've been struggling with in my own path, I'll be sure to check out those resources so I can grow in my connection to the Lady and Lord. :)
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Re: Paganism: When There Aren't Any Gods

Postby demoiselle » Fri May 11, 2018 11:16 am

This thread was incredibly helpful to me. Thank you.
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Re: Paganism: When There Aren't Any Gods

Postby Shekinah » Mon May 14, 2018 12:08 pm

-Dark-Moon- wrote:I love your posts, Xiao. Very thoughtfully written.

I might add that the ancient Hindu texts the Rig Veda state that 'We created the Gods' and that thus they are simply divine projections of ourselves.

'Magic/ritual' is simply one method we use for access to them.

The only thing that can be truly known in this incomprehensible universe, is ourselves. We, our consciousness, our experience, is the universe.

Out of the void, we are the creator.

We are 'God'.


You are very wise and speak an ancient truth unknown or overlooked by almost everyone. This is exactly what we learned from the "Agency's" Star Gate program. We are Akasha (Akashic Records) and Akasha is Spirit and the Gods are manifestations of Spirit. "A pre-existing God did not create the Cosmos but rather the life phenomenon entangled throughout the Cosmos is morphing into (Cosmic Consciousness) God" We are the units of awareness comprising Spirit.
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Re: Paganism: When There Aren't Any Gods

Postby firebirdflys » Mon May 14, 2018 3:42 pm

Shekinah wrote:
-Dark-Moon- wrote:I love your posts, Xiao. Very thoughtfully written.

I might add that the ancient Hindu texts the Rig Veda state that 'We created the Gods' and that thus they are simply divine projections of ourselves.

'Magic/ritual' is simply one method we use for access to them.

The only thing that can be truly known in this incomprehensible universe, is ourselves. We, our consciousness, our experience, is the universe.

Out of the void, we are the creator.

We are 'God'.

Wonderful insight Dark Moon. The Pantheon are thought beings of our creation materialized by visualization and conjuration by practitioners of our art over tens of thousands of years. These require our recurrent mental energies and thusly they are eager to work with us. Collectively the life phenomenon across the space/time is entangled as Spirit. A pre-existent God did not create the multiverse but rather the multiverse via the life phenomenon is evolving a God.

you must really have liked her post Shekinah lol....miss that poster, we hadn't heard back from them since the hurricane down there in 2014, sure hope she's ok halfsm
we have a saying in our group when preforming the cakes and ale ceremony, and that's is, "We are not here to worship the Gods but to become the Gods" for thou art God, thou art Goddess"
-Dark-Moon- wrote:We are 'God'.
Indeed :fairy:
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Re: Paganism: When There Aren't Any Gods

Postby GhostRider » Tue May 15, 2018 1:09 pm

I hope people will excuse me but I don't have the sense of humor to be God. Omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence is too heavy a work load to wake up to on Monday morning. That's doubly true on Monday's that follow a weekend of Godless debauchery. I'll just happily practice the Craft and try to remember how much I have to learn and how much wisdom I still need to develop. :twisted:
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Re: Paganism: When There Aren't Any Gods

Postby Florenna » Fri Jan 25, 2019 4:17 am

I know this is an old topic, but I just wanted to say that Xiao Rong's starting post was incredibly helpful & insightful (especially for a newcomer on this site; having considered myself more or less an Atheist for most of my life, and having in the past myself criticised people who believe in nonsense that can't be seen (those of Abrahamic religions), I'm now a bit torn especially for my great interest and belief in magick... :oops: ). Thank you!

Xiao Rong wrote:Oh, super dull! That's why I didn't stick with it; I've always grown up craving ritual and magic, wanting it to be real even if I couldn't believe in it at the time. However, I will say (as I mentioned above) that there are people who find that they don't need anything more than science, because it already opens up so much wonder and mystery in just the complexity of the universe, that gods seem unnecessary.

I used to be one of those; and I'd even say that I consider it much more dull having been raised in a "habitually Christian" household (not sure if that's actually a proper term in English, as it's in my local language, but I'm sure people know what I mean - those who are members of a church but don't really practice it or have any beliefs affecting everyday life, so nominally Christian but in practice quite secular) - of course it's easy to say, not having had the experience myself, but I do feel I'd have taken a hardcore Atheist parent over that any day ;)
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Re: Paganism: When There Aren't Any Gods

Postby Shekinah » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:13 am

It be fine to be Atheist and so much more thoughtful then being one of the Abrahamic religions mindless lemmings. When coming in tune with Nature and experiencing enlightenment and a sense of oneness with the Cosmos even we Atheists feel the presence of a conscious presence (Spirit) wafting throughout creation. "Our true nature lives, as perfect as an unwritten number, everywhere at once across space and time" (Jonathan Livingston Seagull) Collectively we are this Spirit call it what we will. From Hermes: "We must be bold to say that an earthly being is a mortal God and that the heavenly Gods are immortal beings"
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