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New Spell Construction. Considerations and Discussion wanted

Postby HopefulChild » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:40 pm

I've been reading more of the "Construction" threads, and for the most part they match up to what is in the books I have purchased or downloaded.

The reason I've been reading is because the books I have seem limited in the actual construction aspect of new spells.

The standard steps (in general) in order:

Refine/Set the intent. Really qualify and be clear about the intended results of your wish.

Apply cosmological considerations like Moon phase /waxing/waning/full/new..and son on. Only a few mention astrological considerations like looking at the overall arch for the season of ones individual zodiac. Which is understandable. Astrological forecasting is quite involved and it's very difficult to break down into time frames and estimates other than very direct calculations for star positions and planet rotations and so on.

Consider the "stuff" you might need or want to make use of if you are planning a ritual component.

And then ritual prep, cleansing prep, raising energy prep, and then the execution of all of those.

I get it.


Most of them cover a general idea of writing out the spell and making it rhyme though it's admittedly not required, it's implied importance is there.


Here are the things I'd like to hear opinions about or to discuss back and forth.

I'll take the spell I am interested in making. I want to compel my ex-wife to pay her child support.

That isn't a "money" spell. I'm not greeding or wanting. But it is something that is owed. I do my part. It isn't unreasonable that I want her to do hers.

I wholeheartedly dislike the idea of compelling another human or even animal to do something. It feels wrong intellectually and ethically. It always feels like an attempt at mind control or slavery. So how do you put sincere energy into something you disagree with or don't believe in?

I have a feeling in my guts, that I need to not just look at the result I want. The result is simple. Make a freakin payment.
My gut is telling me that I need to look at the "parts" that I am attempting to influence, and how to influence them individually to get them working in concert so that the result of their working together is the outcome I desired.
Does that make sense?

Since I don't talk with my ex...ever. I don't know what is happening in her life. She was an addict when we were together and routinely fell off the wagon. Seems reasonable this is happening again and once the cops find her or something she may start catching up or whatever.

So then what am I really trying to influence? Do I put energy out there intended to help her be or find stability? So in order to see the results I'm interested in, I'll be focusing on beneficial energy in her direction...seems counter-intuitive and kind of insulting to myself. But whatever.

I'm trying to influence several spheres, outside my scope of interaction, in an entirely different part of the country.
For her to make her payments, she needs to be stable in her profession, whatever it may be at the moment, she needs to have her own individual living needs met so that she can go to work, and she has to be healthy enough to go to work and then she has to feel an inclination to want to make her payments at all.

So that is at least 4 spheres of influence right?

How do you envision influencing things like that for other people if you ultimately feel that what you are doing is only going to benefit yourself?


It's an interesting problem if I do say so myself.

What do you think?
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Postby Xiao Rong » Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:09 pm

I'm a little confused about what your motives are ... ? If it's not money, is it about closure? Wishing your ex to be a good mother to her kids? Justice? Is it the money that's important or is the child support a symbol of something else? Would you settle for some other outcome instead? Without fully clarifying your own motivations, what you really need, I think any spell you make will have muddied intentions and would be less effective.
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Postby SnowCat » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:51 pm

Do you ultimately want your ex to have the desire and ability to pay the child support? Is the spell designed to benefit her, with you benefiting by default? It's hard to be crystal clear about a situation like yours. I know from experience. You might need to start with just focusing on improved conditions for your ex, and go from there.

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Postby HopefulChild » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:32 am

So you two Xiao and Snow, have been a consistent conscience for me since the day I joined these forums and your insights and opinions are always appreciated.
And both of your responses really are the root of my request for discussion. Now the reason I wanted to do this thread at all, is because this situation is a very real life scenario, and as is becoming obvious, it's actually much more complicated than "Gimme my money"... Right?

What I want, is for her to keep to her commitment. Essentially, to be a better version of herself, for her kids benefit.

For her to keep to her commitment in the bare minimum way, she just has to make monetary payments. So any attempt to make a spell that would benefit in that way, is really a "better life", or "Better Self", spell for her benefit.

I know this spell will never actually get made. Primarily because I know that I am not so enlightened, as to put that much effort and consideration forward on her behalf. Not when I can use that same effort and time for more direct help for my kids and family and so on.

So there in lies the question. How do you clarify motivation and intent in a situation like this? How do any of us become clear and confident enough about our intentions in messy, muddled, real life scenarios like this.

So then what? I'm casting a rather complicated hope, that someone wants to be a better person than history has shown them to be?
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Postby SnowCat » Wed Mar 30, 2016 12:41 pm

You can send positive energy her way. That doesn't manipulate her, as the energy is hers to use or ignore. I never got the court ordered child support from my ex. Drinking, drugs, and getting his jollies with his brother's ex took priority. I busted my fanny and made a decent life for my daughter and me. The ex now has stage 4 pancreatic cancer. His brother passed a few years ago. His brother's ex has early onset dementia. I spent Easter weekend in Oklahoma making sure that my grandkids got to see their grandpa. It was not easy, but it was the honorable thing to do.

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Postby Xiao Rong » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:35 pm

So ... just speaking as an outsider who knows very little about your situation, perhaps maybe it's really about your children's well-being, and doing a spell to make sure that they get all the care that they need?
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Postby Ethereal Moon Rose » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:01 pm

Actually, there are plenty of lunar calculators online that tell you what sign the moon is in at any given time. I rely heavily on astrological timing when doing spells.

I'm surprised nobody has jumped on you for possibly tampering with your ex wifes free-will. This forum is very right-handed.

I honesty don't think there's much magically you can do about this. I'm assuming you've contacted the child support agency? I get it. I've gone through all of this for years. My ex didnt pay child support for over 5 years but it finally caught up with him and I got his tax return. I can't speak for your ex but my ex didn't pay just to spite me. He had a job and earned plenty of money. So even if your ex does get motivated to work, there's still the problem of actually paying the child support.

Wishing you the best of luck.
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Postby SnowCat » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:18 pm

He did say that he doesn't want to manipulate his ex. Sending positive energy and thoughts in her direction, in the hope that she will change her ways is not manipulation.

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Re: New Spell Construction. Considerations and Discussion wa

Postby Ethereal Moon Rose » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:21 pm

Yes I read that. I don't see how he can make his ex pay though without controlling her. Tricky situation. ..
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Postby Jenny Crow » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:53 pm

It seems to me that you're going too deep into the workings of getting your payment(s) from your ex. It's nice that you're thinking about her and how she's going to need to be in a good position to pay you your money etc, etc .......BUT.....when you perform a spell you need to focus and visualize only what you want to manifest, NOT how you're going to get it. You want payment(s) from her so just concentrate on that - the spell will take care of the rest.

What I have found is that the Universe/Goddess/God work in mysterious ways - DO YOUR SPELL AND LET IT DO IT'S WORK. The Universe, God/Goddess/the energies.....all work in their own ways, so have confidence and trust in your spell work and just let it........

I though I'd give you a spell for collecting debts. You can use it or not....or tweak it

Candle Spell: Designate one candle to represent you, another to represent your debtor and a third candle to represent either the money or the issue. Then arrange them in the shape of a triangle, with the candle representing the money at the apex. Face the candles representing the people towards each other and burn them.

OR Here's another one, it's a Compelling Spell: (if someone has owed me money for a long while I have no qualms about using this sort of spell): Write the name of the debtor and the amount that you're owed on a piece of brown paper. Write your name over the debtor's name, saying "I cover. I cross you. Now give me the money you owe me!" Dress brown and purple candles with Command and Compel Oil. Place the paper beneath the candles and burn.

The oils can be bought from the Lucky Mojo site, if you don't have any on hand.
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Postby HopefulChild » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:28 am

It being a tricky situation was the reason for the post.

Compelling is not an option for me. I feel it is unethical so I couldn't put any real energy into it. I think it's possible. But it's not something I could bring myself to do. That's one of my lines in the sand. It's like holding a gun to someones head. It's meaningless and violent.

Xiao - I'm sure there is an element of it that I want to be able to tell the kids, "She's not great, but at least she kept her commitments so that you had what you needed"... But I think they are past that point already. They have stated that they just don't have any emotions about her because she has never really tried to be there.

Jenny - I'm not a fan of "Do your spell and let it do it's work". I believe that statement is the same as, "Put some money under your mattress and wait for it to increase"... I don't believe it works like that. That is akin to wishing. I feel like I have to understand what I want to happen and the mechanics that are involved in making something happen. Magic is like I've state in another post, the long way around to seeing something done. That is mostly what this post is about. What is the long way around compelling.

So like Snow stated, I'd really just be sending good energy and the light of hope in her direction under the idea that it might hit her the right way one day and she'll get a glimmer of the better person she could be if she wanted to.

Just because I want an event, or outcome, doesn't really mean I understand what would be involved in getting that result if I just throw intent repeatedly at a specific outcome.
The fastest magical concept to get what I "say" I want, is to compel. Like Jenny listed, if I chose to repeatedly do a compelling spell, over and over and over, the probability that my ex feels compelled to make payments is higher than if I don't do it.
I see in my mind, magic as a massive, and I mean universal scale Venn diagram of overlapping influences. Just endless circles that overlap each other in greater and lesser degrees. So if you want to nudge or push one specific circle, you have to find the chain of circles that connect to it in just the right spot.
So I keep thinking in terms of spheres and how they connect and how many spheres do you really have to take into account for ONE event, or condition to be accessed correctly or in a way that is not too obtrusive to all the other spheres that also interconnect.

But as stated, the payment isn't really what I want. The payment is a symbol. Payment is the bare minimum that she can do to prove that her (my) kids are important and significant.

I think it's a no go scenario. I'm not noble enough to expend energy to attempt to help her because I just don't she is worth the effort, or the outcome isn't worth the effort.

Maybe that's the problem. Based on my own ideals, I should be strong enough to move beyond my bigoted presumptions about her worthiness and just do it because it is the right thing to do like Snow said.
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Postby Ethereal Moon Rose » Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:53 am

You shouldn't have to 'force' or influence your ex to WANT to care about your kids. SHE is the one missing out, she's the one choosing not to be apart of their lives. If she really wanted to be apart of their lives and make an effort, she would. I must be cold hearted because the last thing I'd want to do is help my ex, after everything he put me and the kids through. I'm sorry you and your kids are going through this.
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Postby Jenny Crow » Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:43 pm

Oh my - holding a gun to someone's head, violent - are you serious? I still say you're thinking this whole situation to death. Of course you should work your spell and then let it alone to do its work. Do you want to work the spell or not? Life is not always fair, she hasn't kept her part of the 'deal' - sometimes you just can't be nicey nice - so get working that spell and make her pay up. Letting the spell do it's work is NOT akin to wishing, if you keep on thinking and worrying about the spell after you've worked it then it likely will go awry or not work at all.

I don't know her, of course, but you may have to accept the fact that the kids actually don't mean that much to her.
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Postby Ethereal Moon Rose » Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:38 pm

Totally agree Jenny.
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Postby HopefulChild » Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:10 pm

Jenny Crow wrote:Oh my - holding a gun to someone's head, violent - are you serious?


Yes I'm serious. I've stated why. Luckily, different strokes for different folks and all that.

And no this spell is never actually going to get done. I've previously stated why.

It was a "what if" question with a real life situation because I feel real life isn't as simple as getting what you think you want... that's all.
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