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Herbal Abortion

Postby moonflower » Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:10 am

Hi everyone first I've been reading this forum for a couple weeks. and It really seems great. my whole life I've always been intrigued my anything to do with witches meditation, talking with animals and nature and have
been reading as much as I can on the subject.
anyway for the last few months I got completly fasinated with wicca practices. I don't know very much about it and would love to learn more.

This is embarrassing that I havn't introduced myself better and I apoligize
if this is rude seeing as ths is my first post.and I don't know anyone
but I'm desperate enoug to beg for your help anyway. Does anyone know a spell or any meditation exersize to have
a abortion? or a way to just to do it naturally with herbs? instead of a opperation somthing I'm terrified of doing. I know there is a ot of contraversy about abortions so I'm nervous about posting this. but I can't
possible have a child right now. I'm about 3 weeks in if that helps thank you for taking the time to read this and please if anyone knows of any thing to do. please I'd love here your suggestions. sorry if this is in the wrong place. and thank you again so so much
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Postby twilight » Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:45 pm

There's some information here.

There are two types of herbs that can have an effect on a developing pregnancy: emmenagogues and abortifacients. An emmenagogue is an herb which encourages your period to start. They usually work best if your period is just plain late - not due to a pregnancy. Some common emmenagogues include Parsley, Ginger, Yarrow, Feverfew, Rosemary, Sage, Queen Anne's Lace Seeds, Black Cohosh, Mugwort, Juniper, Angelica, Savin, Rue, Asafetida, Celery Seed, and Birthwort. Most emmenagogues are not strong enough to cause an abortion; however, they can in some women. Abortifacient herbs can both cause an abortion and encourage your period to come. The herbs explained in detail below are abortifacient herbs.



Abortifacient Herbs

Blue Cohosh

Cotton Root Bark

Dong Quai

Pennyroyal

Tansy

Vitamin C



Things to Consider

- Most herbal abortifacients work by poisoning you. They raise the level of toxins (poisonous substances) in your own bloodstream so high that a baby cannot develop. The goal is to not put too much in your body so as to harm or kill yourself, but this is not an exact science and it can be very harmful, even fatal, to you.



- Herbal abortions do not work well. If you take them the correct way at the correct time in your cycle they have a 20-30% chance of causing abortion.



- Health risks can be considerable and may lead to death. See specific herbs for detailed information on risks.



- Most herbal abortifacients may cause birth defects if the abortion does not occur.



- Most herbal abortifacients may cause complications in the pregnancy if the abortion does not occur.



- Just because something is natural does not mean it is safe or easy to use. An herbal abortion is so much more than kicking back and sipping tea throughout the day. The abortion usually does not occur for 6 days into the treatment, and the herbs can be very hard on the body, causing nausea, diarrhea, and chills. Not to mention the emotions that can occur during such a long, drawn-out process.



- Most abortifacient herbs must be started before your period is even due! So you must know your menstrual cycle very well. Starting an herbal abortion too late will make it less likely to work.



- Abortifacient herbs should never be used past the 6th week of pregnancy for any reason, and they should not be used for more than 2 weeks at a time.



- You should not attempt the use of herbal remedies if you do not have knowledge in this area. Consulting an herbalist or doctor is very important because you don't want to take the wrong herb (some sound very much alike) or take the wrong form of an herb into your body. Never use the essential oil of any herb internally. Essential oils are poisonous and will be harmful if not fatal even in the smallest amounts.


This just sounds really dangerous (JMO) if you need an abortion seek professional medical help!
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Postby hedge* » Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:07 pm

You definately need to seek professional medical advice moonflower.
There are numerous problems that could arise if you try any herbal remedy without knowing what you are doing. You can suffer from kidney and liver failure, not to mention hemorrhageing.
There is a pill that you can get from your doctor similar to the morning after pill, called RU-486 (mifepristone), and it will cause medical/chemical abortion in pregnant women within 49 days from the first day of their last menstrual period.
If you're still set on a herbal abortion then please go to a professional herbalist.
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Postby [EarthWitch] » Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:16 pm

Hedgewitch is absolutely correct and I agree 10000%! Please seek conventional medical treatment or a professional herbalist. You could injure yourself and cause there never to be a child in your future!
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Postby Elven555 » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:35 pm

ClarySage is an effective oil that will enduce miscarriage and won't harm you.

They say that if you're pregnant, you should stay away from clarysage, as it encourages contractions of the uterus, which may cause miscarriage.

So you could start by burning some clarysage in an essential oil burner, and then get your carrier oil (almond, avocado, even olive oil) and put a few drops of clary sage and a few drops of jasmine and or rosemary.
Rub this into your abdomen twice a day.

Good luck
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Postby Mycroft » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:01 am

I'm kind of new to this too. But listen, I live in a country where abortions were expressly forbidden until some years ago. I know a lot of people who tried abortion with plants. It's too dangerous. You could have a lot of problems after this.

I'm sorry if I'm scaring you, but I know a woman who died. Don't try it.

Try a spell for calming yourself and then think this through. An operation is really simple, but 3 weeks is too recent I believe. It's an anesthesia, go on the table and then in less than an hour it's done. I suggest you go to the doctor's and discuss with him. He can tell you everything you need to know.

DO NOT try push-ups, cold water baths or myths like that. As I said, there are too many dangers like infections, ending up sterile...

This is not a joking matter. Your body is already prepared for a child and there are too many things that can go wrong.

My mother aborted like that and almost died, so please see a doctor.


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Postby kgwitch » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:16 am

I understand why you're asking, herbs are a lot less scary than doctors. But this a definite medical problem. I don't think herbs or magic is what you need, a doctor is. :wink:
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Postby @ngel » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:45 am

i agree with kgwitch your best option is to see a doctor
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Postby moonflower » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:38 am

Hi again, thankyou everyone for your replies. with your help I did
realize I really don't have enough information, an knowldege to do anything
with herbs or by myself. It all sounded to uncertain. so i just scheldeld
I medical abortion for this thursday. I don't think I've never been so scaredof anything.
I,m definatly going to my appointment. but shouldn't it be possible.
to have enough control over your body to just will it away. I tried lighting a
candle and just praying to the baby's spirit that this isn't a good time, to please understand and to find somone else. I wasn't exactly successful.
but it seems like that ought to work. Anyway thanks again.
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Postby hedge* » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:41 am

(((((((((((((HUGS MOONFLOWER))))))))))))))))))

Thinking of you sweetie.
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Postby twilight » Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:41 pm

I'm so glad you decided to seek medical help.

*big hugs*
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Postby Greymalkin » Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:04 am

I was wondering when a 'pro-lifer' was going to say something.

Turkey, nobody likes the idea of abortion and I'm sure nobody sees it as just another form of contraception, but we have to be real here.
Some women and young girls just aren't ready to be mothers - for whatever reason.
The ability to abort should be avaliable to all women and in my opinion the choice is down to the individual woman alone.
No woman should be made to feel pressured either way.
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Postby Twisted_Pixie » Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:28 pm

turkey wrote:How can some people approve of abortion yet disapprove of capital punishment? How can a person approve of abortion, which is the death of innocent human life, yet be against capital punishment, which is the execution of guilty humans who have murdered people. It doesn't make sense! How can people be "humane" by disapproving capital punishment but still believe in abortion?


I would rather abort a baby that i know i wouldnt be able to give the life it deserves than have it for the sake of 'saving life'.... the baby doesnt have nerves straight away so it doesnt hurt it if its performed before this stage... The world is so overpopulated and its harming mother earth to be having babies left right and centre, so yes i am with women who dont want to have their baby if they dont believe they are ready for one. A life should be brought into this world if the mother and father are ready to bring it up. Having said that, I also believe contraception is a better option.

As for herbal abortifacients... I've just finished studying herbal medicine at uni and as much as i can tell you there are herbs that MAY cause abortions, i seriously recommend you see a doctor. Eventhough herbs are natural it doesnt by ANY circumstances make them safe.... so for your own sake seek medical advice first hunni!!

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Postby Starwitch Stone » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:11 pm

I actually found this post through a Google site search for "rue". I'm going through all the spells on my site that call for rue and making a note on the page that rue is known to be an abortifacient (able to induce miscarriage).

I'm glad this thread is here. I've been thinking about adding herbal abortion information to the site for a while. Although it can be dangerous, even deadly (I guess) to take herbs to induce a miscarriage, I realize that for some women in the world, death is better than pregnancy for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that in some places (mostly Muslim countries, I'd say) a women can be stoned to death or otherwise beaten or killed if she is found to be pregnant outside of marriage, even if she was raped. They don't care if she got pregnant against her will by her own uncle. They'll punish or kill her anyway. So as my personal way of saying "F*ck you assholes" to men who treat women that way, I want to be sure that women have alternative options available to them.

As for abortion, I'm glad that so many of the members here were supportive of this member who needed help and most of you didn't take the opportunity to lecture her. I really wouldn't have expected to see many pro-lifers on a pagan board, but you never know. People, especially young people who have never had children, can be very judgmental about these kinds of things. I've heard that the majority of young women these days are actually anti-abortion. It's sad, especially after all that the feminists have done to insure that women have the choice to make their own reproductive decisions.

I had an abortion at age 17. My boyfriend at the time was 23 and I had been with him for over a year when I got pregnant. My best friend actually got pregnant at around the same time. She had an abortion a few weeks before me, so when I found out I was pregnant too, it wasn't too difficult for me to decide that I should have one too. My boyfriend had become increasingly abusive towards me during our relationship, even threatening to kill me, plus he was addicted to crack-cocaine and would go on binges every few months. It was not an ideal situation to raise a child in, that's for sure. It was only 7 months later that the father of my would-be baby was arrested and imprisoned for murder. He's been in prison ever since (and could quite possibly be released this Spring.)

I can't tell you how glad I am that I didn't have a baby with this man. It's bad enough that I have to worry about him coming around when he gets out of prison, but if I had had his baby, I wouldn't stand a chance. I would have to see him. And he would kill me, I'm certain. I probably wouldn't have lived this long if I had decided to keep the baby.

The abortion was pretty awful. They gave me a single valium and a Darvocet (the weakest narcotic ever produced) and let that sink in for 20 minutes. Then they did the procedure, which was painful. It didn't help that, on the way into the clinic, my boyfriend was whispering in my ear (so Mom couldn't hear) that I was a "whore" and that the baby wasn't even his because I had cheated on him. He was so paranoid and full of himself. Not father material at all. And he had convinced me that we could have unprotected sex as long as I squeezed the semen out afterwards. I actually believed that nonsense! Since he was six years older than me, I figured he must know what he's talking about. Never trust what a man says to you when you're about to have sex with him, especially if it has anything to do with not using protection.

My ex-husband told me he was sterile and couldn't have kids. I had unprotected sex with him (using the pull-out method since I really didn't trust him to be honest with me) for years. Luckily, I didn't get pregnant, but his new wife is currently pregnant with his child, so he is obviously NOT sterile. He also found out that he has a son that he didn't know about. Liar. He just didn't want to use condoms.

When I was in my late teens and twenties, I accompanied two of my girlfriends to the clinic for their abortions. The clinic in the town nearest us was closed down thanks to asshole conservative "pro-lifers" (they call themselves "pro-life", as if the rest of us are pro-death). The clinic was converted into a memorial for the 17,000 would-be babies that died there. So one of my friends went to Atlanta for her abortion. They actually offered general anesthesia there. I think it was $500, compared to $300 without it. I really wish I could have had the anesthesia and been able to sleep through the procedure. I mean, I suppose it wasn't any worse than all the other painful and degrading gynecological procedures that doctors just love to perform on women, but at that point I hadn't had any of those, so it was pretty traumatic for me (the procedure itself, not the idea of the abortion.)

When I went through a Christian phase in my early 20's I did feel guilty about the abortion and prayed for forgiveness. But I see now that it was the church that made me feel bad. I didn't personally have any feelings about it other than relief that I wasn't burdened with a child by my psychotic ex-boyfriend. I can say with certainty that if he ever knocked me up again, I would do the same thing.

Good for you, Moonflower, for knowing that you aren't ready to bring a child into the world and doing what's necessary to keep that from happening. Most people don't have that kind of common sense. They keep popping out babies because they are convinced that their parenting skills are superior to other peoples'. Or maybe they just like having little slaves around the house to do all the work. I suppose some people just love children, but I suspect many people have them for ulterior motives (to fit in with their friends, because of pressure from parents, because they want someone to care for them when they're old - all selfish reasons). If you just want someone to love you, get a pet. Children often grow up, move away, and forget about you. A pet will love you until they die. And pets are quite a bit less expensive (though vet costs are pretty high these days and I've spent hundreds on cat accessories in just three months! Eeek!)

Happy New Year's everyone. New Year's Eve is the full moon (and it's a blue moon!) so it's a perfect time to do rituals for our New Year's resolutions.

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Postby Sallydreams » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:51 am

Honestly... "harm none" comes to mind here.

Not "harm one that might not actually feel it but we have no scientific proof"

I wouldn't want to suffer the karma from an abortion.

Just saying.
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