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Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby Rainbowkiss » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:08 pm

Christian: So you believe that salvation is by works and not faith? The bible states we are saved by faith alone, not by works so that no man can boast.
Me: Paul created the salvation by faith alone theology. Unfortunately, Paul never knew Jesus when he was alive. Paul would often challenge the disciples and apostles who knew Jesus and his teachings. They taught salvation is obtained through good works, which is real faith. Jesus stated ''he who believes in me, will do the works I do. James the brother of Christ had this to say about faith alone. ''If a man says he has faith but not works can faith save him?". ''If a man shows me faith without works, I will show him my faith through my works.'' ''Believe that there is God'' ''The devils believe and tremble.'' ''But know, you foolish man, that faith without good works is dead.'' ''Abraham believed in God, and it was imputed unto him, for righteousness, and he was called the friend of God''.
Me: Jesus stated ''It is not he who says to me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the works of my father.''
Many will say lord, lord have we not prophesied in your name? And in your name cast out demons and perform many wonderful works? And Than will I profess unto them, I never knew you, away from me you who do evil.''

Me:So you see sir that accepting Jesus as lord will not save you from hell, neither does blind faith. Demons also believe in Jesus but they lack good works. True faith is good works, false faith is without good works.

On part 3 I will discuss what good works they are speaking of.
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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby firebirdflys » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:00 pm

that just gave me a really bad headache
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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby -Dark-Moon- » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:18 pm

I'm reaching for the garlic
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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby Rainbowkiss » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:40 pm

firebirdflys wrote:that just gave me a really bad headache

Hmmmm
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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby Rainbowkiss » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:40 pm

-Dark-Moon- wrote:I'm reaching for the garlic

???????
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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby Rainbowkiss » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:44 pm

Does my debate bother you? Sorry, you probably hate me.......
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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby Alatoru » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:54 pm

One of my fav questions for Christian is:
"For example, if there is a man who reject to worship god, your christian god, but trough life he is really good person, he did no harm to others, why the god won't accept him in heaven?"

With this question I try to let them think how can some god request from believers to do known ritual to be baptized so they can get chance for heaven, while others can't. So, if you are good, and reject to worship god, you can't go to heaven? Isn't then the god itself egoist? :D
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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby Xiao Rong » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:59 pm

Does my debate bother you? Sorry, you probably hate me.......


Please don't think that anyone hates you! This is your thread and I really do not think anyone is pressuring you not to speak your mind. I suspect that the issue is that mostly Christian apologetics and citing the Bible are not most of the members' strong points; for example, in my case, I mostly just don't really get it. It's not an argument that I could use against a Christian trying to convert me because I really don't know the Bible that well (or even really care for it); I would be more likely to use different arguments, or not have that conversation altogether. But if you say that it's helpful and fun for you to use these points to debate Christians, then more power to you!
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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby firebirdflys » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:56 pm

I'm sorry, I was really having a bad day, and I was so difficult for me to read...it must have brought up some debate from the past ( my grandfather used to love heated debates, I didn't as they tended to get real loud...same reason I didn't like church, they tended to get loud and righteous) and I have been getting terrible headaches, so I just blurted it out, I didn't mean to confound you.
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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby -Dark-Moon- » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:07 pm

Sorry, I should have clarified, eating garlic is really great for inner strength. I think it also cures headaches?

Xiao is right in saying that debating Christianity isnt going to be a particularly hot topic on a Witchcraft forum. That's just because its not the main focus of this forum, don't take it personally.

If you think people here are hateful, then you might misunderstand the spiritual paths here,... Most folks here are helpful types more than anything.

Im sure you can appreciate that, when you look at it from this perspective.

Instead of being intellectually caught up in as problem, it sometimes helps to solve it from a fresh perspective. Perhaps try something different... Like eating a medicinal plant (eg garlic), taking a ritual bath, or doing some gardening. Yesterday I stood under a waterfall and it cheered me up no end.

Sometimes I think all this wordiness drains our beautiful beings. Remember you are ok just as you are, there's really no need to be anything else than who you are

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Sending you peace and universal love

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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby Rainbowkiss » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:23 am

Merlin wrote:One of my fav questions for Christian is:
"For example, if there is a man who reject to worship god, your christian god, but trough life he is really good person, he did no harm to others, why the god won't accept him in heaven?"

With this question I try to let them think how can some god request from believers to do known ritual to be baptized so they can get chance for heaven, while others can't. So, if you are good, and reject to worship god, you can't go to heaven? Isn't then the god itself egoist? :D
. My studies in the bible revealed that Christians are wrong when say only Christians go to heaven. On part 3, I will be saying what is needed to enter heaven.
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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby Rainbowkiss » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:25 am

Xiao Rong wrote:
Does my debate bother you? Sorry, you probably hate me.......


Please don't think that anyone hates you! This is your thread and I really do not think anyone is pressuring you not to speak your mind. I suspect that the issue is that mostly Christian apologetics and citing the Bible are not most of the members' strong points; for example, in my case, I mostly just don't really get it. It's not an argument that I could use against a Christian trying to convert me because I really don't know the Bible that well (or even really care for it); I would be more likely to use different arguments, or not have that conversation altogether. But if you say that it's helpful and fun for you to use these points to debate Christians, then more power to you!
. Alright, thank you
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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby Rainbowkiss » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:36 am

firebirdflys wrote:I'm sorry, I was really having a bad day, and I was so difficult for me to read...it must have brought up some debate from the past ( my grandfather used to love heated debates, I didn't as they tended to get real loud...same reason I didn't like church, they tended to get loud and righteous) and I have been getting terrible headaches, so I just blurted it out, I didn't mean to confound you.
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I guess I overreacted, I have a fear of a person's annoyance or spite cause of my history of bullying,cruelty and disrespect. I can understand your trouble with the church and your bad days. I get it all the time.
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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby -Dark-Moon- » Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:03 pm

Not having a victim mentality in life is a good thing to cultivate, even if life is very difficult.

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Re: Me vs christain:what you can say to christians part 2

Postby xXDark'nesRisingXx » Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:58 pm

"Stop bullying me you stupid PREP or I will curse you" Why can't we all just get along? :(
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