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Are Druids a subgroup of Celts?

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Are Druids a subgroup of Celts?

Postby freyja13 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:58 pm

I've read DJ Conways's Celtic Magic and her Norse Gods' books in which she outlines methods in which both groups form a circle? However, as an eclectic Wiccan, myself, I borrow from here and there. I don't have a set Pantheon of Gods and Goddesses; rather, I incorporate the ones that speak more to me. It seems to me that this is where Wicca is heading; however, there could be other opinions.

My real question is:
Does anyone know if Druids worship the same pantheon of Gods and Goddesses as the Celtic Wiccans?
I was under the impression that Druids are more about the worship of trees, herbs, plants and the eight Sabbats of the year?
Do Druids form a circle in the same way Gardnerian, Alexandrian or even Eclectic Wiccans do, or do they have their own ways of building a circle?
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Re: Are Druids a subgroup of Celts?

Postby SpiritTalker » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:03 am

I haven't ever researched Druidry proper or the Celtic culture, so others here will have to help. There is a Reconstructed Druidic Order of America today.

According to Wikipedia on Celtic & Druid:

Before the expansions of Ancient Rome and the Germanic and Slavic tribes, a significant part of Europe was dominated by Celts, leaving behind a legacy of Celtic cultural traits.[4] Territories in north-western Iberia—particularly Galicia, northern Portugal and Asturias, historically referred to as Gallaecia and Astures, covering north-central Portugal and northern Spain.

A druid (Welsh: derwydd; Old Irish: druí) was a member of the high-ranking professional class in ancient Celtic cultures. While perhaps best remembered as religious leaders, they were also legal authorities, adjudicators, lorekeepers, medical professionals and political advisors.

One of the Druid's god-names mentioned on Wikipedia is Dagda. There's way too much to copy and paste, so you'll maybe want to look it up too. Celtic Wicca is a reconstruction from Welsh &'Irish histories, the same sources probably used for some of the modern day Druidic reconstruction. There are core shamanic practices that are common wherever magic is done. Some form of a circle is one such common practice. Druids would work with the spirits of the Land, and probably out doors, with trees as guardians and teachers. The Gardnerian Wiccan method is taken from recorded ceremonial magic and Masonic ritual text, and their base sources are no doubt older than dirt. I don't think anyone knows how an ancient Druid would detail it specifically since they left no written records. The 8-day wheel is an entirely modern Wiccan development as far as I know, combining the solar and agricultural cycles.
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Re: Are Druids a subgroup of Celts?

Postby planewalker » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:14 pm

I can only speak to the historic Druids. They were bordered to the east by the Teutonic Germans, to the north by the Finns, Nordic, and Lapp peoples, to the south by the Romans. { I'm neglecting the tribes of the high Alps and the Iberian Penninsula as they have little to do but occupy ground.} They were themselves driving the Picts to extinction against the Atlantic. The Picts would live on in the Highlanders and Welsh. There was however, by the time of the Roman invasion of Briton, much injection of minor tribes of Gaels into the parts of the British Isles that would become the Highlands and Wales. The Druids were the intellectual elite of the Gaelic people from roughly 1,200 BCE until 60 AD. As Spirit says, they were not only the workers of wonders. They were the lawyers, doctors, educators and pharmacists of their people. They were beaten and ejected from continental Europe with the defeat of Vertingetorix, at Alesia, in 52 BCE. The last historic Druids were eradicated by the Romans, at the end of the revolt of Boudicca, in circa 60 AD. I'm not sure of the teaching of the Neo-Druids, but I am sure that the last of the original Druids were butchered on the island of Anglesey by the Romans. The Romans were very good at eradicating people they found inconvenient. They always raped, pillaged and burned in that order.
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Re: Are Druids a subgroup of Celts?

Postby Lady_Lilith » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:11 am

I would take anything DJ Conway says about history with a grain of salt.
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Re: Are Druids a subgroup of Celts?

Postby SpiritTalker » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:52 pm

I browse around you.tube a lot, and was going to suggest Greyson Silverwolf but his video isn't the best, as he's distracted. Https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=OOm-WYp-8zA

John the Verbose (as he calls himself) also has videos if you want to checkmhim out. He is more focussed. He has a short piece on sacred space. https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Kf8zCouVGDk

It seems as with pagan practices everywhere, that there is no one agreed on method.
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Re: Are Druids a subgroup of Celts?

Postby SpiritTalker » Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:01 am

While the 2 you.tube sites probably didn't help a "bleep" with your questions, (sorry about that. They were pathetic sources) I just now read this comment in "The Book of English Magic" by Philip Carr-Gomm & Richard Heygate, pg 62., paragraph 2:

"Like it's cousin, modern witchcraft or Wicca, Spiritual Druidry developed a threefold initiation system. Drawing on the accumulated magical heritage of what has come to be known as the Western Mystery Tradition, it developed ceremonial forms that include casting a magical circle, consecrating the circle with fire and water, and invoking the blessings of four elements and cardinal directions."

So the answer to your question of whether Druids cast a circle like a Wiccan is Yes. "Spiritual Druidry is considered a valid spiritual & magical path in it's own right." (same source) "Today's Druids also practice shamanic journeying...communicating with plants & animals, ancestral spirits & spiritual guides..." (ditto) The ref. also mentioned today's Druids observe the Solstices and Equinoxes and "old cross quarter days".
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