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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby firebirdflys » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:08 pm

http://wildhunt.org/2015/01/treating-de ... ntext.html

The latest article from the wild hunt.

I think the hardest thing to do is ...
to get into action when you don't want to do anything.
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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby SnowCat » Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:49 pm

firebirdflys wrote:http://wildhunt.org/2015/01/treating-depression-in-a-pagan-context.html

The latest article from the wild hunt.

I think the hardest thing to do is ...
to get into action when you don't want to do anything.


Oh yeah. I'm pushing myself to go to the gym three times a week. So far I'm five for five on keeping my commitment.

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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby smogie_michele » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:29 am

Moonfire wrote:
Myrth wrote:It is easy to learn. You just take a class and get an attunement.


I can look into it but there commonly aren't many things of that nature near me. The closest is Atlanta, Ga. The drive of two hours is not what worries me, rather what worries me is finding someone who is actually practiced in Reiki rather than just a fraud (there's plenty of psychic frauds). I'll do some research but until then, I'll see if I can just have my spirit animals guide me through meditation.



Are you north of Atlanta? I'm from GA and there may be a few places that are closer than you think, like in the blue ridge area.
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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby Moonfire » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:09 pm

smogie_michele wrote:
Moonfire wrote:
Myrth wrote:It is easy to learn. You just take a class and get an attunement.


I can look into it but there commonly aren't many things of that nature near me. The closest is Atlanta, Ga. The drive of two hours is not what worries me, rather what worries me is finding someone who is actually practiced in Reiki rather than just a fraud (there's plenty of psychic frauds). I'll do some research but until then, I'll see if I can just have my spirit animals guide me through meditation.



Are you north of Atlanta? I'm from GA and there may be a few places that are closer than you think, like in the blue ridge area.


Nope. I'm South. Smack in the middle of the state. :/
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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby RosieMoonflower » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:39 pm

This isn't magic related. But, when I was going through some depression in college, I started volunteering. It just helped take my mind off of my stress in a positive way. It also helped me feel better about myself, because I was helping others and I could see where my efforts made positive change.
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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby cherrypie » Fri May 13, 2016 7:54 am

Just my two pennies....as somebody who knows exactly what you are talking about: please, please, please get your sexual hormone levels and your thyroid checked (it is important to get the ft3, ft4, TSH and antibodies)! Very often the adrenals are fatigued as well. And more than often the cause lies in your guts because most people don't have functioning guts anymore due to our food - but this is where all illness starts and this is where most of the neurotransmitters are built, if they can be built at all because your guts are damaged.
Oh, and please get your ferritin and vitamin D3 levels checked as well.
From experience (not only my own) I know that these things are never considered by the docs but they can cause havoc to your whole body. Only very rarely it is psychological issues (I don't say these cases don't exist, but these are the minority, and I mean a really small minority) that cause the problems but of course we add to the problem by feeding our fear and depression with even more fear and depressive thought patterns and behaviour. With time our minds build neuronal super highways from these fear- and depression-related thoughts and it is hard (but entirely doable) to re-wire our brains again. But once your body systems are in sync again you will be amazed how good you can feel!

BTW: there are tons of fast working herbal supplements, vitamins and amino acids one can take in order to relieve the symptoms of anxiety and depression and tons of studies show that they are as good as or even better than allopathic antidepressants.

Good info about thyroid issues:
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/
This is the physical aspect.

For the brain (and this is also very important!)
Really, really helpful advice for anxiety and depression:
https://jeff.websitetoolbox.com/
http://panicend.com/thepanicswitch.html
https://jeff.websitetoolbox.com/post/no ... lf-7053544

books by Dr. Claire Weekes, Richard Carlson, Loretta Breuning, Hilary Stokes & Kim Ward, then books on neuroplasticity (Bruce Lipton, Norman Doidge etc.) and if you want something spiritual (but absolutely recommended for daily life) Thitch Nhat Hanh, Rick Hanson, Jon Kabat Zinn, Tara Brach etc. They are writing about mindfulness and this is something so precious and important to practice in our time.

As doing magick has so much to do with visualization and concentration it is absolutely a really good addition to the other things - hang in there!
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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby Oddball » Sat May 14, 2016 7:07 pm

Strongly second Myriella's suggestion for exercise. I have to drag myself to do it sometimes, but it really helps me. I'm not a huge fan of the gym - don't like all the people there - so I usually just go for a walk or find a place to dance. You don't have to be good at dancing - I'm definitely not - but letting your body get out tension with some soothing or powerful music does wonders.
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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby WiccanWitch » Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:45 am

I have a very strong family background of depression and bipolar disorder. Thyroid has come up in discussion a lot. My aunt, who was/is bipolar, was found to have an issue with her TSH being fine by either T3 or T4 being low and this along with Effexor and a better marriage has helped make her a much more stable and happy person. I have had the same tests and they always come back normal. But, I have zero energy, zero motivation, almost total anhedonia. I'm on Effexor and seroquel. And that's just the beginning :( I hope you find some peace.



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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby cherrypie » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:16 am

Thyroid tests are very often interpreted as normal but if you have typical symptoms it should be a good idea to go to a doc or health practitioner who is experienced with thyroid issues. Have you ever got your antibodies tested? Adrenals should be tested as well, adrenal fatigue is raging in our time. Hormones? After all these years and all my experience with many, many women I am more than convinced that there is ALWAYS a physical issue when somebody has mental problems. The longer the problems exists and isn't detected the more those negative thought patterns and behaviour patterns can solidify and this adds to the physical condition that causes the bad feelings in the first place. Depression and anxiety are always emotional reactions to thoughts, and they are learned with time. The more you practise the better you get at something, right?
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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby SpiritTalker » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:40 am

The way my doctor explained it to me, is Clinical depression is not emotional. it's chemical having to do with the brain cell sender, carrier and receiver chemicals. These are three different chemicals. Any shortage in any one of the three will result as depression. The person can't function in a standard way because the electrical flow in the brain gets disrupted. The symptoms appear emotional, but symptoms are not the cause.

In usual, non-clinical depression, we do have emotional responses to distressing life situations & we cry, get angry, etc. That's normal and appropriate. And ingrained thought patterns can be re-programmed to correct the normal kind of depression. Meditation can sooth the normal feelings of self doubt and confusion. With clinical depression, you have to know this is not the person who you are, but faulty perception. As far as I know, medication to correct the chemical imbalance is the best solution. And it takes a good MD and time to sort it out. Meanwhile you're on a see-saw ride.

But when they get it right, and the fog lifts it's like the sun just came out after a storm.
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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby cherrypie » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:06 am

SpiritTalker wrote:The way my doctor explained it to me, is Clinical depression is not emotional. it's chemical having to do with the brain cell sender, carrier and receiver chemicals. These are three different chemicals. Any shortage in any one of the three will result as depression. The person can't function in a standard way because the electrical flow in the brain gets disrupted. The symptoms appear emotional, but symptoms are not the cause.

In usual, non-clinical depression, we do have emotional responses to distressing life situations & we cry, get angry, etc. That's normal and appropriate. And ingrained thought patterns can be re-programmed to correct the normal kind of depression. Meditation can sooth the normal feelings of self doubt and confusion. With clinical depression, you have to know this is not the person who you are, but faulty perception. As far as I know, medication to correct the chemical imbalance is the best solution. And it takes a good MD and time to sort it out. Meanwhile you're on a see-saw ride.

But when they get it right, and the fog lifts it's like the sun just came out after a storm.


The problem is that there is no single tool for diagnosing such things as depression etc. correctly, How often do docs have to deal with a clinical depression? It takes a lot of experience to make a correct diagnosis. Then, there still is no study to proof the old idea of a chemical imbalance. This is just not the case and out-of-date.There is a lot of new science has found out during the last few years. Of course there are cases where meds are the proper means but most of the time they are not. There is always a reason why somebody experiences depression or anxiety and if it is not some trauma in your life then there is something else not working as it should within you (and it is not an imbalance in your brain). Very often the cause can easily be corrected, the difficult thing is to find out whats going wrong. Most docs aren't interested in finding out the root cause. If you imagine that there are millions of women who each and every month have suicidal thoughts because of PMS and all they get is an antidepressant then it is no wonder when so many people are diagnosed with clinical depression without looking further. There are so many things to take a deep look at first, like hormones, your guts, thyroid, adrenals, but nobody cares because it is easier to throw some pills at somebody.
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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby SpiritTalker » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:06 am

I hope nothing I wrote lead you to your convictions. There's no benefit to discussing my personal history with depression on the Internet. All I can suggest is that people take responsibility for their own healing and ask, again and again if needed, for the proper evaluation for the very reason that General Practitioners don't deal with clinical depression, but A GP is obligated to provide referrals to specialists.
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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby cherrypie » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:23 am

no, don't worry :-). I got my convictions during the last 15 years or so, learned oh so much and I'm glad I did. Like you I think everybody needs to go his/her own way, finding his/her cure, but I think it is a shame that healing still is understood as taking some pills without further examination of all the circumstances and conditions. It is not the fault of the people but the doctors' and pharma industry. And we all need to learn that we have much more power over our bodies and especially over our minds as doctors would admit (at least the majority).
That is all I want to say about all this, for me this chapter is over, so no need to unbury it all the time *lol*, I rather go and bury my horse shoe now!
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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby SpiritTalker » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:35 am

Atta gal!
At the mercy of pill pushers, at one time, between 3 MDs, I had 14 prescriptions. I bagged them up and went to my GP, laid all the bottles out and said this had to stop. Over two years of slowly weening off, I am now down to 4 essentials and feeling lots better, and oo-0 I have a brain!
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Re: Anxiety and Depression

Postby SnowCat » Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:22 pm

Polypharmacy is an epidemic all on its own. Using medication properly, to maximize function and quality of life is one thing, but too many practitioners want to whip out the prescription pad. And then, they write more prescriptions to offset the side effects of the original prescription.

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