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Alternative Element Systems

Postby T'ani-L'ai » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:01 pm

I love the exploration of alternatives to the standard system of classical elements, whether they be cultural beliefs or personal beliefs.

I know most people tend to use the Greek model in their workings (Earth, Air, Fire, Water, Aether), but I know the Chinese model is popular with many, as well (Fire, Earth, Water, Metal, Wood). Personally, I'm becoming more enamored with the idea of using Chinese characters in my craft because of the potential for projecting energy into the art of producing the character, whether through ink on paper to burn with a spell, or perhaps carving it into a candle for long-term use.

I want to know what you guys think of alternative element systems and if you have your own interpretations on what elements you believe make up the Universe.
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Re: Alternative Element Systems

Postby SpiritTalker » Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:43 am

Both the Greek and the Chinese systems are something I can relate to in a way, particularly the Chinese cycle of each element sustaining the next. That is something I've felt that Pythagoras missed in the Greek system unless you think in terms of each of the five elements as part of the whole. but that gives me a headache after about three seconds.

Can't say I ever thought of making up my own system, but if I do I know it would include chocolate.

There also ought to be something for spin, motion...the universe doesn't just sit like lumps of matter; it moves. I think that the force of motion is as much a created substance as any of the familiar elements.
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Re: Alternative Element Systems

Postby T'ani-L'ai » Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:48 am

Kinetic Energy! I think that's a brilliant idea. I wonder if there are any who weave properties of mathematics and physics into their own craft in such a way?

Yeah, chocolate and coffee should totally be elements. They do sustain life for many! :lol:
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Re: Alternative Element Systems

Postby Lady_Lilith » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:10 am

I think Sailor Moon proved both systems can work in harmony, they have more in common with each other than they look like on the surface.
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Re: Alternative Element Systems

Postby SpiritTalker » Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:43 pm

I also think there is a lot of appeal in reassigning the elemental associations with directions to fit your location. If you live near a body of water and it is on the north of your position, put Water in the North, instead of Earth, etc. Keep good notes so you don't forget what or why you changed from the standard. Same for color associations...use what has meaning in your immediate situation, if it makes more sense to you. I feel as if the directional associations have more to do with the winds of their quarter.
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Re: Alternative Element Systems

Postby Anthousa » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:59 pm

Lady_Lilith wrote:I think Sailor Moon proved both systems can work in harmony, they have more in common with each other than they look like on the surface.


Would you mind elaborating? I've not seen much sailor moon (though I enjoyed what I have seen, even if it was just the dubbed one as a teenager) so I didn't know they fitted into either system (mercury as ice/mist, mars as fire, Jupiter as electricity and Venus as light I think?). Apologies if this is a sidetrack, I'm just curious.
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Re: Alternative Element Systems

Postby Shireside » Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:11 pm

Haha, love it when topics crop back up like this...I was just contemplating elements earlier today. The elements I include are Fire, Air, Earth, Water, Metal, and Electricity. I don't include wood for the same reason I wouldn't include flesh as an element as the body of an organic life.
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Re: Alternative Element Systems

Postby Corbin » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:06 pm

I think it doesn't matter as long as the system you use (as in do the mental groundwork for) provides a "whole" microcosm; a working model of the universe which you can visualise. Working models are simplifications but need to "stand up". They also however need to "feel" right.

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